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09-20-2018, 12:48 PM | #121 |
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what's even worse for the environment is having children
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09-20-2018, 12:50 PM | #122 |
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COLD HARD FACTS
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09-20-2018, 01:08 PM | #123 |
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A lot of that depends on lifestyle and location. If you live in an area where energy and heat are created with fossil fuels, and you choose to heat an additional room in your house through the winter for your baby, and immediately upgrade to a people mover even though you only have one baby in a car seat to fit into your car, and you buy dairy based formula to feed your child instead of breastfeeding, yes, immediately your carbon footprint is enlarged.
If you live in an area with mostly renewable energy, and your baby sleeps in the same room as you, and you don’t buy a bigger car and don’t use your ordinary car any more than usual, and you breastfeed...actually your carbon footprint isn’t that much bigger. As I understand it, fertility rates are highest in developing countries and those children hardly damage the environment at all. It’s having children in developed countries, and enlarging an already wasteful lifestyle, that is damaging the environment. I live in hope that raising children to be mindful of waste and pollution and what constitutes a sustainable lifestyle, will mean that there is a generation after us that is more committed and aware of the problems that lie ahead. People like to laugh at climate science deniers, but at the same time of you look at what they are prepared to change in their own lives, in response to the evidence presented by climate scientists, you’d think it really was fake news There’s a lot of “oh I need....” and “it’s no big deal....” “it’s not really my contribution that counts...” Well, whatever people need to tell themselves, I guess. I mean, I totally ******* myself in that group. I make terrible decisions all the time. But I don’t laugh about it and call people crazy when they call me out for it, I guess is the difference |
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09-20-2018, 01:12 PM | #124 | |
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Well, thank you for helping me expand my world view. If there is one thing I have learned as a parent, it's to judge less. Every time I make a sweeping judgement of someone's decisions or some topic--I find myself in that same place months later, saying "oh... I get where they were coming from" It's humbling! As an example, while I was pregnant, I was vehemently against co-sleeping. There was no part of my brain that could understand why someone would do it. The studies! The doctors! The FACTS! Flash forward to maybe the second week after my son was born. I was in pretty intense pain after having an emergency C-section, and I was getting in and out of bed 100 times each night (it felt like...) to breastfeed him or just to check to see if he was still breathing. It was awful, it hurt so bad, and I wasn't sleeping. So, I brought him into bed with me. And it felt... perfect. It felt like THAT was how a mother and baby should sleep. And we did co-sleep for about a year, until I stopped having to breastfeed him in the middle of the night. I don't know why I'm saying any of this, because you aren't going to read it with an open mind anyway, or just nit pick it for any shred of "bad parenting" on my part. I am a good mother, and I'm not looking for any validation here. Just wanted to get my thoughts off my chest. |
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09-20-2018, 01:12 PM | #125 |
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you've pretty much tripled your carbon footprint in the end
while that bachelor brother of yours just didn't want to wash a pan |
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09-20-2018, 01:13 PM | #126 |
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also my job lets me dig big holes in the ground that I can fill with hundreds of thousands of tons of baby diapers and disposable silverware
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09-20-2018, 01:13 PM | #127 | |
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I want to elaborate that I am very much in favor of reducing, reusing, and recycling in any way possible, and I think everyone should try to do as much as they can... but I think it's more about saving our souls so to speak than actually doing something positive for the world. If that was our concern, people would just not have children. |
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09-20-2018, 01:16 PM | #128 |
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Jesus is coming back (soon!) to burn this place down to a cinder.
Might as well trash it. |
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09-20-2018, 01:19 PM | #129 | |
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Most of the facts say that sleeping with the baby close enough to its Mother that it can regulate its breathing, protects against SIDS. Co-sleeping is actually parenting best practice IMO. |
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09-20-2018, 01:19 PM | #130 |
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I do think it is possible to make a difference on a small community level if you get a bunch of like-minded people together. For instance, my municipality taxes plastic bags (5 cents each), and it has supposedly really reduced the amount of new plastic litter being introduced into the environment here.
But I also know that in India and Africa people live everyday right next to fucking mountains of discarded plastic bags, and I have basically no power to solve that problem, nor do the people living there. So I can help to clean up my own little already tidy, already mostly affluent sector of the world, but I don't really believe the bag tax which affects the one million residents who live here is doing much or anything measurable at all on a global save the world scale. in a way it's almost more like a throw up the walls type thing. the outside world is fucked, let's make sure OUR tiny little place is kept nice |
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09-20-2018, 01:22 PM | #131 | |
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09-20-2018, 01:23 PM | #132 | |
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when you consider how many people do not have the education or the knowledge to care, or feel like they are in a situation where the trade-off is worth it for personal convenience or because maybe they simply don't have to time or resources to wash a diaper over and over... I mean people have all sorts of reasons and excuses, but I just kind of think this idea that the power is in OUR hands or something is an illusion. It's about so much more than personal choice |
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09-20-2018, 01:24 PM | #133 |
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so what do you use if not disposable diapers? the cloth ones? did you wash after every dump?
i think i'd rather sacrifice the planet tbh. |
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09-20-2018, 01:28 PM | #134 |
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You can insert any big evil thing corporations are doing to kind of the same end I think. Sweatshop labor, or whatever. If it were really just as easy as making a choice, I don't think people would find it that hard to make the right choice. All these things are caught up in global systems of economic exchange and politicking, and it's actually not that easy to act against "the system" in a lot of cases
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09-20-2018, 01:30 PM | #135 |
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09-20-2018, 01:30 PM | #136 | |
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09-20-2018, 01:35 PM | #137 | |
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reducing waste has already been "trendy" for like the last 30 years in the US at least. recycling and green programs are a pretty big deal in most cities in the US and even as a kid I remember being trained in school about reducing waste, how plastic is forever, etc. etc. I don't think it is as much an issue of people just not wanting to do it as you are making it out to be. It's really hard to act against a system of 7 billion people and make a difference. |
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09-20-2018, 01:36 PM | #138 |
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also I think most of the trash mountains in India are not like exported there, they come from India. The population is very dense and people don't have a lot of alternatives to wasteful products. It's the exact same reasons people in the developed world have trouble changing, but their economic disadvantage makes them that much more susceptible to not being able to combat the larger system
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09-20-2018, 01:38 PM | #139 | |
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As I say...disposable products are really new. Women (for the most part) have had to do the work of washing diapers for generations, unless they lived in climates where babies could mostly go naked. I also did infant potty training - so both of mine used a potty from when they were a few months old. That saved a fair few soiled diapers and was much easier to clean up after. I actually think disposables are worse with the yuck factor, too. Rinsing diapers isn’t fun, but they’re clean and hanging on the line within 24hours. Disposables can sit in a trash cash for a week outside your house until trash day. I think that’s just as gross, if not more gross |
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09-20-2018, 01:43 PM | #140 | |
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09-20-2018, 01:47 PM | #141 | |
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09-20-2018, 02:08 PM | #142 |
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09-20-2018, 02:08 PM | #143 |
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wow that's pretty hardcore vixnix; i mean your work with the elderly. and i thought cleaning cells on the intake level was bad...
when you rinse the diapers where does the waste go? and where would you do it? it a regular sink? good point about women doing this for ages before. there's so much we get used to and forget that things were different for so long. |
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09-20-2018, 02:09 PM | #144 |
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09-20-2018, 02:09 PM | #145 |
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elphenor have you ever listened to sleep's holy mountain?
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09-20-2018, 02:10 PM | #146 |
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09-20-2018, 02:19 PM | #147 |
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09-20-2018, 02:19 PM | #148 |
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exactly. i'd like to actually spend time with my kid every once in a while. i already feel like i am doing housework constantly. and sometimes when i need to shower or clean a room that she can't be playing in (bathroom, laundry room) she is allowed to *gasp* watch TV so i can get it done. that is not going to hurt her!
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09-20-2018, 02:21 PM | #149 |
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09-20-2018, 02:26 PM | #150 |
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