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12-09-2015, 11:11 PM | #151 | |||||||
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On the other hand, I agree his lyrics are very weak nowadays, but only because he is trying too hard to be popular again, to get his music on the radio...
He is still able to write good lyrics, lyrics that everybody over their 30s could relate to. Quote:
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12-09-2015, 11:43 PM | #152 | |
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jelly blossom you are being aggressively stupid in this thread, trying to convince everyone that your opinion is aligned with some admitted truth about his lyrics being nonsense. He's literally never said his lyrics are nonsense. He's said that sometimes it's not enough to say it fucking hurts, which is basically why his lyrics are abstract expressions, because the sentiment is more powerful.
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12-09-2015, 11:50 PM | #153 |
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everyone: his lyrics are abstract, that doesn't mean the don't have meaning
jelly blossom: oh yeah well then explain the concrete meaning behind literally every abstract line .......dude |
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12-09-2015, 11:51 PM | #154 | |
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I know I'm challenging your beliefs here, but I'm hardly the only person here that's saying Corgan's lyrics are bad. If you don't agree, that's fine. But there's certainly no reason to attack me by saying I'm being 'aggressively stupid' or that I'm 14 or whatever. That's completely uncalled for. |
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12-09-2015, 11:54 PM | #155 |
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Hahaha wtf is happening in this thread
I'd disagree, Billy could write a whole album of good lyrics Not sure this guy called bill cares to, tho He's bill now, not Billy guys |
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12-10-2015, 12:03 AM | #156 | |
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my problem is not with your opinion but how hard you are pushing a very poor argument. I'm still interested to hear who you do consider to be a good lyricist though. Last edited by redbreegull : 12-10-2015 at 12:41 AM. |
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12-10-2015, 12:07 AM | #157 |
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On the other hand, Billy has said that many of his songs are based around singular memories or images in his head, which he then builds around using that mood and related themes. 1979 was inspired by a memory of sitting at a traffic light in the pouring rain after he came back home from Florida, e.g.
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12-10-2015, 01:06 AM | #158 | |
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For me, I kinda like a lot of the steam of consciousness lyrics because they allow me to form my own interpretation based on my own experience. |
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12-10-2015, 01:10 AM | #159 | |
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12-10-2015, 01:10 AM | #160 | |
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With that said he definitely has a bunch of songs that are awesome lyrically. Songs like Disarm, 1979, Desire and Tonight Tonight really tug at the heartstrings and are really beautiful. Even when the lyrics are a little juvenile and kind of "teenage relationsip drama" type of stuff, it's sold with the intensity. |
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12-10-2015, 01:18 AM | #161 | |
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Challenging people's beliefs is important in life, and your reaction is completely understandable cuz you've obviously lived your life accepting that nonsensical lyrics are great, and more power to you for feeling that way. I'm glad you feel connected with lyrics that don't make any sense. I on the other hand crave for something more from lyrics than "Lovahhhhh yer strange!" and "open your eyes to these mustard lies". It's something that bothers me and I was simply stating that it does. You don't agree and that's ok. I didn't mean to get you fired up about this, but your exaggerations and personal attacks against me are uncalled for. |
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12-10-2015, 01:21 AM | #162 | |
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There's not a lot in the Billy catalog that stands out to me as being strong lyrically, especially coming from a guy who claims he's a musical genius and such a strong songwriter. I would love nothing more than for him to team up with a talented lyricist and just focus on music. I think Billy's albums would be much stronger and it'd be a surefire sign of musical and creative growth on his part. |
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12-10-2015, 01:23 AM | #163 |
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12-10-2015, 01:25 AM | #164 | |
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12-10-2015, 01:30 AM | #165 |
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ok so for the third time, who do you consider to be a good lyricist jelly blossom? specifically who do consider to be a good abstract lyricist?
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12-10-2015, 01:30 AM | #166 |
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Or songs like STRTJ Geek Usa, Soma, TTEOR they all have their own abstract stream of consciousness Corgan style that is completely unique to his writing.
I don't think songs need to be cut and dry and there is a good heft of lyrics that are just kinda "ehhhhhhhhh" It wasn't until after Zeitgeist that he seemed totally dead inside with his lyrics. Zeitgeist had some lyrical clunkers as well but afterwards it was like he gave up... FOL, GlOW, Superchrist, Widow, Astral Planes, Spangled, Are You With Us Or Against Us, Quasar, Anti-Hero, Monuments ETC |
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12-10-2015, 01:30 AM | #167 | |
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On top of it, that argument only points out the exact thing I'm saying in regards to the lack of growth shown by Billy as a songwriter. He wonders why what worked in the 90s isn't working now and maybe it's because people are smarter now and want songs with substance and meaning and not songs with lyrical gibberish that he vomited out in the back room of studio before he went to record the vocals. |
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12-10-2015, 01:35 AM | #168 | |
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And I gave a few examples of lyricists who I thought were good in post #145 of this very thread. http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...&postcount=145 Wish you'd get with the program, lol. |
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12-10-2015, 03:16 AM | #169 |
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12-10-2015, 03:18 AM | #170 |
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12-10-2015, 03:19 AM | #171 |
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Courtney Love ok bye
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12-10-2015, 03:26 AM | #172 |
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12-10-2015, 03:29 AM | #173 |
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12-10-2015, 03:47 AM | #174 |
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it's 'open your eyes to these mustard lies' according to BC. IIRC he even talks about it in the Gish deluxe edition booklet.
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12-10-2015, 10:59 AM | #175 | |
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I've always wondered what those songs mean. |
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12-10-2015, 11:56 AM | #176 | ||
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12-10-2015, 12:20 PM | #177 | |
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I'm not definitely saying that that's what those songs are about, just that there's enough substance there for the listener to at least formulate an idea of some sort. Much better than say, "Blank page is all the rage" or "Your love is strange". |
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12-10-2015, 12:24 PM | #178 |
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Wait a minute, are some of you questioning the lyrical integrity of the masterpiece "MTAE"?
Sounds like you need to be removed from the P+C red border club. MR CORGAN WILL SEE YOU NOW |
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12-10-2015, 12:40 PM | #179 |
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ahm so alone
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12-10-2015, 12:48 PM | #180 |
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