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12-11-2017, 08:44 PM | #1 |
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Thread for geological time
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12-11-2017, 08:47 PM | #2 |
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what is your guises favorite period? I really like devonian period because of the chill vibes and good production
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12-11-2017, 08:53 PM | #3 |
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flat earth confirmed
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12-11-2017, 09:01 PM | #4 |
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*curls into a ball under desk*
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12-11-2017, 09:13 PM | #5 |
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something something speck of dust
fuck, we really don't matter but i like the period where the earth was all ocean. which one is that? |
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12-11-2017, 09:30 PM | #6 |
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humanity is like a flesh eating virus shutting down the planet incredibly violently and quickly, in relation to the amount of time we'd been around
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12-11-2017, 09:32 PM | #7 |
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makes me wonder if it has ever happened before. how could we know if there was like some fungal species which took over the whole planet in the course of 10,000 years and then destroyed itself through unsustainable growth and consumption? the fossil record over such a vast amount of time is spotty so it's possible other species have done this and we just have no idea, right?
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12-11-2017, 09:48 PM | #8 |
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i'm always on high alert for a good "fungus among us" joke opportunity
so if anyone hears anything |
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12-11-2017, 10:04 PM | #9 |
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it's amazing how they can get all this from fossil records, soil layers upon soil layers upon soil layers and radioactive dating and shit. it's incredible
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12-11-2017, 10:22 PM | #10 | |
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12-11-2017, 10:24 PM | #11 |
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I remember Pangea, btw.
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12-12-2017, 08:26 AM | #12 |
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I like them dinos so cretaceous-jurassic-triassic periods would be my jam.
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12-12-2017, 01:45 PM | #13 |
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The first subjects I ever studied at university were maths, physics and geology. I was trying to be dutiful and become a mining engineer just like dear ol dad.
That stuff gets a lot more boring when you go out into the field to look at the evidence. Like any science I guess, the theory is a lot more interesting than the field work. Geology field work is the worst. Probably why all geology departments in the world are the heaviest drinking in their respective campuses. Geological society get togethers involved laying tarps on the floor so that the spilled beer and vomit was easier to clean up. I fell in love with my lab demonstrator of course. He was sensitive and hilarious and nerdy and really the only thing that put me off was the length of his fingernails. Too long. Deep time really did my head in. A few years later, when I was recovering from the psychosis and trying to get up early to be at uni for 8:00am Hebrew class, I would lie in bed, trying to understand that I was just a little speck of life, hurtling through space as the rock I lived on whirled around a gigantic ball of fire. And I would think "Do I really need to get up for Hebrew? Does it really matter?". I still can't answer those questions but having children makes it easier to get up. |
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12-12-2017, 02:18 PM | #14 |
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My view on this is that no, it doesn't matter. However while we have consciousness we can choose to create meaning in our own lives where no objective meaning or purpose exists, or we can get lost in the pointlessness of life. So, life is pointless - but meaning is what you make of it. Also the knowledge that nothing we do matters in any kind of cosmic sense or even outside of our narrow slice of life brings a kind of freedom. There's nothing so terrible you can do if nothing really matters. You could probably take that to mean "so I might as well lie, steal, and take advantage of others" but I take it more like "there's no pressure to be perfect because this is all fleeting anyway."
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12-12-2017, 02:35 PM | #15 |
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The same year I went back to study Hebrew, I had also given up on doing anything useful with my life and had decided to study philosophy instead, in the hopes I could discover the meaning of life that I lost when I studied geology.
In one of our first lectures in metaphysics, our lecturer said that many people come to philosophy, and philosophers, asking if life has meaning. He said that the level of difficulty you will have in answering that question depends obviously on your criteria for success. If you are content with an unverified statement, then a slogan like "You make your own meaning", will be very satisfying. If your criteria for success is determining some kind of actual truth, things get much harder, and there is no general agreement. My experiences up until that point, like yours in some ways, left me feeling like if there was no ultimate meaning or goal to my life, I would rather be dead. Luckily, medication fixed that, and now carbohydrates and Netflix give my life an amazing amount of meaning. |
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12-12-2017, 03:29 PM | #16 |
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Well if there is no actual truth except that there is no meaning and everything will be extinguished in time what is there to agree on besides that?
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12-12-2017, 03:44 PM | #17 |
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Free will, responsibility, morality, criminal justice, social contracts, identity politics, human rights...
I guess, all of the shitty, gory crap that affects us every day - we have to find some agreement on how to define it and deal with problematic situations. For example - if my neighbour molests my kid. I say, well, life is meaningless and all things are extinguished in time. Let's extinguish my neighbour now, seeing as it doesn't matter anyway and I hate him so much because he molested my kid. I've proposed this solution before - "Humane euthanasia" for pedophiles - netphoria vehemently disagreed with the utility of the solution despite the fact that we can all agree that the life of the pedophile, like all human lives, is apparently meaningless in absolute terms. We end up saying "But why? Why should we be interested in doing that?", despite the fact that life has no meaning. So there's disagreement about that, I guess. |
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12-12-2017, 03:45 PM | #18 |
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Nothing we do matters, therefore the only thing that matters is what we do
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12-12-2017, 04:03 PM | #19 |
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this is basically me. i'm still terrified of meaninglessness and the enormity of it all and my endless pondering but i have to keep a person alive and she doesn't care about any of that stuff (yet?). it's still hard as fuck to get up though. but it's a must.
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12-12-2017, 04:08 PM | #20 |
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i still sometimes think we're all connected (too much lsd) but that doesn't mean we share the same body. it's too much to fucking process, stardust.
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12-12-2017, 05:05 PM | #21 | |
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Humans are very likely evolutionary programmed to be helpful to one another because reciprocal altruism is good for the species. Even months-old babies try to help and can distinguish between, for example, someone dropping something and someone throwing something and will only try to help when the person seems to need it. But this doesn't make it "morally right" to help unless you consider species fitness to be an indicator of moral behavior. I'm sure there are many instances of other things like this. I'm no philosopher so I might be wrong about all of this but if all things are relative there is no "right" |
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12-12-2017, 05:11 PM | #22 | |
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12-12-2017, 05:31 PM | #23 |
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geological time is never geological time at all
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12-12-2017, 05:34 PM | #24 |
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so you've all turned out to be nihilists
for once i was ahead of the curve |
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12-12-2017, 05:35 PM | #25 |
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so... whose going to help me burn goodwill and safeway to the ground!?
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12-12-2017, 09:07 PM | #26 | ||
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As you point out, there is no "right", so terminating the lives of pedophiles isn't right or wrong. I was just pointing out, that this is the sort of stuff philosophers argues about. The catch phrase "Life's meaning is contained in the meaning that you put into it" sounds good - but ultimately it is an unhelpful way of answering the question "Does life have meaning?", because our own lives are not the only ones at stake when we define the meaning of human life.... Quote:
Again, I only mentioned this because you asked what philosophers argue about. It's this stuff. The business of how to make rules for living if, as you point out, there's no way of discerning right action from wrong action. Actually, many attribute the Is-Ought problem (that is to say, how things are currently can not give us answers to how things ought to be) to 18th century philosopher David Hume. So philosophers have been working on it for a while but I guess only stupid humans work on philosophy because we are no closer now than we were then. |
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12-12-2017, 09:41 PM | #27 |
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Traveling down the old Hume Highway, eh.
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12-13-2017, 12:46 AM | #29 |
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I'm like T_T
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We're more likely programmed to do what's best for our kin group or small community, which is why as a species we are often compelled to wage war on each other, for resources or control of territory. We often do, these days, decide what is moral and then act that way. A good example is the passing of gay marriage laws. A change in the status quo prompts a society-wide evaluation of moral principles (should rights be denied to a group of people just because we've never awarded them before, and we don't like change? Or should we change how we behave towards them?). There are some choices we are making now which have big implications for the future of the species - like should we genetically modify all new humans pre-implantation, to address "defective" genes like deafness, dwarfism, autism, mental illnesses? Where do we stop? If there are particular alleles that make a child more likely to be gay, should parents be allowed to modify them if they don't want gay children? In this situation, we might find that rationally speaking, the best thing for the species would be a eugenics program, basically. Does our evolutionary programming prompt us to embrace eugenics, though? Quote:
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But initially I was saying, that if your criteria for success in answering the question "What is the meaning of life" is an unverified slogan or catch phrase, then "You make your own meaning" is enough. If your criteria for success is something useful to the human species, because it addresses fundamental human concerns like "Should I share?" "How much should I share?" "Is it bad to deceive others?" "Is it OK to want more for myself than I do for others?", then the question as you say, becomes irrelevant, because it can't be answered...and yet, having some kind of approximation that was fairly universal, would be pretty helpful. |
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