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View Poll Results: Your Opinion?
He's not a great songwriter 1 3.45%
His lyrics don't appeal e.g. 'underneath the wheels like the skulls of every C.O.G.' 0 0%
His lyrics are shit 0 0%
His voice doesn't appeal to the masses 3 10.34%
His voice is shit 1 3.45%
His personality is off-putting 6 20.69%
He gets all the credit he deserves 3 10.34%
He has ruined his legacy with years of largely mediocre music 12 41.38%
It was a question of timing e.g. he didn't kill himself after MCATIS 0 0%
He is a great songwriter and the lack of recognition is a mystery 2 6.90%
The albums aren't catchy enough 0 0%
Other 1 3.45%
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Old 06-25-2019, 12:48 PM   #31
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I have taken part in some message boards that talk about general music and awards like the RnR HOF. It was funny because no one mentioned the Pumpkins not being nominated until I brought them up. Then there were like 5 people that were all like "oh yeah, forgot about them, great band!"

So it's like an out of sight out of mind sort of thing. But not completely forgotten. Unfortunately though, those peoples kids won't know who they are.

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:10 PM   #32
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1) The vertical line dividing the left and right ass cheeks.
2) Crack, and cocaine variants, that were at any point up someone's ass.

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:45 PM   #33
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:42 PM   #34
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Nobody calls Courtney Love "Rock Wh*re"
I do. So there.

One hundred and six-behind Weird Al Yankovic

One hundred and twenty one-behind Dave Grohl and Jack White

One Hundred and three-behind Shania Twain

Here's an interesting article from a few years back.

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:56 PM   #35
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He’s an asshole and the music sucked for a very long time

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:39 PM   #36
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hey RAWK you need to pay some damn attention next time you go around pressing such sensitive BUTTONS

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:26 PM   #37
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I'm listening to Shiny and Oh So Bright Vol 1: No Past. No Future. No Sun. for the first time and it is fucking atrocious.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 07:08 AM   #38
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Old 06-26-2019, 11:16 AM   #39
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All I can figure is that the endorphins that kick in whenever he makes such a horrible post must be fucking incredible

Missed opportunity to peel off the t-shirt revealing a full-torso tattoo of the same image

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:48 PM   #40
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Can someone give me a link to the Sad Machines forum? Where is it? I can't find it on google.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 03:25 PM   #41
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/SadMachines/

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 03:31 PM   #42
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Looks like Clayton should better spend his little money for a new shaver.

Or some furnitures...

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:46 PM   #43
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Oh so it's a facebook thing. I'm not on facebook cause I have no friends.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:51 PM   #44
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Candy Cane there are,, 643 friends waiting for you,, in SAD MACHInES

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 06:06 PM   #45
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It's magic that they never get to 700...

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:22 PM   #46
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It's such a stupid name for a group so I'm not joining. They should have called it something cool like Cherubs Rock. They're basically admitting that they're a bunch of saddos. I like to live in denial about my current station in life.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:24 PM   #47
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Mr. Merch' up there puts out a real Chris Watts vibe to me.

 
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:50 AM   #48
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SP 1991-1996 is one of the best runs of any rock band in history. I really believe that. They officially released 100-200 songs in that extremely short period of time (by comparison the Beatles released about 200 in 7 years compared to SP’s 5 years) and the quality, consistency, and breadth of the material is pretty high.

What I think I’ve figured out though is that even though Billy “wrote all the songs and played all the instruments,” the people surrounding him were absolutely crucial. Without brilliant co-conspirators like Butch, Alan Moulder, Flood, D’Arcy, and James.....Billy is fucking useless as a songwriter, producer, and performer. Period. The past 20 years are proof.

One of the things I’ve learned as a professional musician is that the bassist, producer, drummer, engineer...all these people are hugely responsible for the final product even if they don’t get credit or play a single
note on the final mix. Martin Hannett creating the Joy Division sound is another great example of this.

Billy thought it was all him and has learned the hard way that coming into the practice room with a skeleton of a song is only the beginning. He can’t finish the job himself and 90% of people can’t.

 
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Old 06-27-2019, 10:06 AM   #49
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:41 PM   #50
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What I think I’ve figured out though is that even though Billy “wrote all the songs and played all the instruments,” the people surrounding him were absolutely crucial. Without brilliant co-conspirators like Butch, Alan Moulder, Flood, D’Arcy, and James.....Billy is fucking useless as a songwriter, producer, and performer. Period. The past 20 years are proof.
Billy was pretty clearly not "fucking useless" as any of those things, regardless of the stellar collaborators he did have around him. Also, the past 20 years at best prove that Billy is only sucking as a songwriter/whatever else now considering he's had Jimmy, James, and a host of other worthy collaborators but still could only come out with fuckin' Shiny volume 1

i know we all love to hate Bill these days but when y'all start infringing on the past work like that it just looks stupid

 
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:44 PM   #51
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Mr. Merch' up there puts out a real Chris Watts vibe to me.
dude i was about to say that he looks like a local guy here who just murdered someone in a bar. How odd. Guess he has that murder vibe for real.

 
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:59 PM   #52
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Can't help feel if old Bill had sounded like Shannon Hoon he would have a biopic in the works by now.

 
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:19 AM   #53
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SM's used to have around 900 members, quite a dwindling number of members it seems

 
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:58 AM   #54
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SP will bear like a paragraph in the future recountings of 90's alt-rock, same as Pearl Jam, who have also released a bunch of inoffensive and forgettable stuff since their heyday.

 
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:01 PM   #55
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if the discussion is purely on 90s alt-rock i think they'll earn a bit more than that

 
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:31 PM   #56
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Well, I think 90's alt-rock/grunge in it's own right will be relegated to kind of a footnote. Nirvana will be the main remembered group. SP will just sorta be lumped in with a mention with groups like Soundgarden and AIC.

If you look at SP's reign of cultural relevance, it was a very small amount of time. Siamese Dream was kind of a slow burn that kept on getting hotter and hotter and then led up to Melon Collie which was their cultural zenith and then by 97/98 everyone was getting sick of or had already had enough of Billy Corgan and his shtick.

I'm reading Moby's new book right now, and the same thing happened to him. There's actually a lot of correlations in their rise and fall from grace. He was the golden child for a short time and then after a few years everyone started getting sick and tired of him in a big way. Moby talks a lot in the book about losing the plot and desperately wanting to be famous again by just cranking out what he thought would be hits and when those failed he got more and more frustrated. Reminded me a lot about Billy Corgan.

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Old 07-03-2019, 10:53 PM   #57
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Moby recently lost the plot over Natalie Portman. He's now a funny meme.

 
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:27 PM   #58
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yeah that shit was unbelievable. he's been nearly silent on instagram since finally apologizing for it, which seems like the right move.

 
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Old 07-04-2019, 07:04 AM   #59
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To be fair, the book doesn't exactly paint much of a hot and heavy romance between the 2, it more just expresses the anxiety he had when she apparently showed interest in him and when they started going out.

The books quite entertaining, but the chapters are intertwined with chapters about his childhood and I sorta just skipped the childhood chapters because it's a big book and it's due back to the library in only 2 weeks and I had it just sitting around for awhile before I dove in.

I never realized before that Moby was a raging alcoholic drug abuser. Quite a thrilling read to learn about his insane debauchery. I read it for 8 hours straight one night/early morning

 
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Only she didn't express jack shit in him and he totally creeped her.

 
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