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08-08-2020, 03:49 PM | #391 |
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08-08-2020, 07:19 PM | #392 | |
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Points likely covered by articles on the subject: - all of those active cases were detected in managed isolation, i.e. where those arriving at the border have been quarantined and are tested repeatedly throughout a two week stay, meaning that our twenty-three active are effectively Tom Hanks in The Terminal - there has been no community transmission for a consecutive one hundred days, though a slip-up is fully expected and a fairly robust contact tracing system is in place to contend with it - it is going to be very difficult for anybody from a country doing as poorly as the United States is to gain entry while our borders remain largely closed and this will move to a largely cost prohibitive system whereby visitors will be locked in a hotel for a fortnight on their own dime before a trip is even permitted to begin |
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08-08-2020, 07:24 PM | #393 |
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That being said, we are humans and also have a national election in just over a month. We'll probably fuck it up and die.
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08-08-2020, 08:51 PM | #394 | |
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Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty. |
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08-08-2020, 08:58 PM | #395 | |
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66% vaccination rate is not enough to establish herd immunity. If a third of Americans refuse a vaccine this virus will continue to spread and survive in the United States.
70% is still not enough to create herd immunity, but once again it's Boomers who are really fucking it up: Quote:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...s-vaccine.html |
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08-08-2020, 09:35 PM | #396 |
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i think those polls are pretty meaningless because we will never have a generic "vaccine." whatever we do get will be funded by x, have an effectiveness of y, have side effects z, be promoted by x, etc etc. all those variables will determine how many people actually get it.
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08-08-2020, 09:49 PM | #397 |
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Perhaps I'm being too hopeful, but it wouldn't surprise me to see vaccination status feature somehow in border control measures. I had to obtain and present yellow fever immunity certification to visit a specific region some years ago, for example.
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08-08-2020, 11:47 PM | #398 | |
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I think it's a signal of how difficult it is going to be to stop this virus in the USA. Even once vaccine protocols are available. It's likely it will be like flu, requiring vaccination at regular intervals. Tens of thousands of people die of flu here every year because vaccination rates are not high enough to control the flu virus. This virus is deadlier. I won't feel safe ever again knowing that only 30% of young people and 59% of of middle ages or older Americans are vaccinated. (those are current annual flu vaccination rates.) |
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08-08-2020, 11:51 PM | #399 |
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Imagine a scenario where the most of the world has strict vaccine requirements and is able to control COVID. But the USA struggles with low vaccination rates and the virus continues to kill 100k to 200k people per year.
What country on earth would allow Americans in? Or would want to travel here to visit the USA? It would permanently hobble the economy. |
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08-08-2020, 11:55 PM | #400 |
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In the United States all vaccinations are effectively voluntary. There are broad loopholes that allow almost anyone to avoid vaccinations. Unless there are strong mandates by the Federal government to force people to get vaccinated this is going to suck for a long long time
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08-09-2020, 03:13 AM | #401 | |
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08-09-2020, 03:53 AM | #402 | |
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On the other hand, I'm not vaccinated against influenca, which has been easily available for 15 bucks for years. I see the alert to get vaccinated every year, asked several GPs and they were all against it. So no clue, I'd like to get vaccinated against covid, I just wonder if GPs will share that sentiment. Last edited by pavementtune : 08-09-2020 at 04:02 PM. |
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08-09-2020, 07:46 AM | #403 |
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a lot of people dont get the flu vaccine because its often not effective. if the covid one is only 50% effective and expensive and takes two boosters and has side effects i wont blame people for not getting it. that kind of thing is what im expecting from a vaccine fasttracked under incredible political pressure. i think the fastest weve ever had a vaccine before this for anything was 4 years. think it's just going to be with us for awhile no matter what.
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08-09-2020, 08:25 AM | #404 |
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a lot of people don't get the flu vaccine because they don't really need it.
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08-09-2020, 08:36 AM | #405 |
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also, you could just pray to jesus instead?
just a thought (and a prayer). |
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08-09-2020, 10:04 AM | #406 | |
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The fact that he said “in wrestling parlance” gives it away |
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08-09-2020, 10:20 AM | #407 |
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08-09-2020, 10:28 AM | #408 | |
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I'm going to assume you are trolling and not really that stupid The flu vaccine is effective. Efficacy varies from year to year, but it is effective enough to slow the spread even in the USA where barely half the country gets the vaccine. Countries with strong mandatory vaccination regimes have far fewer flu deaths thae the US. |
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08-09-2020, 11:31 AM | #409 |
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how is it a lie that "a lot of people don't get the flu vaccine because it's often not effective"?
cdc says it reduces risk usually by 40-60% https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm why are you always so combative? calling people fucking names and shit? is it easier to assume everyone who disagrees with you is a moron or a "monster"? |
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08-09-2020, 07:25 PM | #410 |
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Isn't the deal with the yearly flu vaccines that the formulation is based on projections on what specific influeza types are likely to be a problem in the coming season?
Effectiveness might not be determined so much by the quality of some given vaccine, but rather by its appropriateness in countering any one pathogen. This is only what I've gleaned from a half-remembered conversation with my doctor, to be fair, but I do wonder if the issue of flu vaccine effectiveness necessarily applies in this case. How many flavors does this one come in? Last edited by buzzard : 08-10-2020 at 11:03 AM. Reason: a shameful error |
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08-10-2020, 07:21 AM | #411 |
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who knows what the problems will be with coronavirus, because they've never made a successful vaccine for any coronavirus before. i think the issue is that immunity fades pretty quickly for coronaviruses, so maybe we'd need to be revaccinated pretty regularly. we'll see i guess.
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08-10-2020, 09:07 AM | #412 |
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I thought the main reason we didn't get a vaccine for MERS or SARS was that they burnt themselves out so quickly be being more lethal than they were contagious, that by the time any vaccines for them were even getting to human trials, it was considered pointless to continue pouring money into them.
As for all those other coronaviruses that cause common colds, idk. |
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08-10-2020, 09:36 AM | #413 | |
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08-10-2020, 11:11 AM | #414 | ||
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Ineffective (ie. not effective): not producing any significant or desired effect. 40-60% protection for an individual against a deadly virus is effective. In comparison to no vaccine it is very effective. The more people that are vaccinated, the greater the efficacy. If everyone vaccinated the vaccination program would be effective in radically reducing the number of sick and dead people. It would drastically reduce the risk of virus infection for all individuals. We would have hundreds or thousands of dead each year instead of tens of thousands of dead. If you say it's ineffective, and then post a CDC link that states it is effective. What should I think? Either you don't understand the word, or you're trolling. You posted a link to a page that explains all this: Quote:
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08-10-2020, 11:14 AM | #415 |
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If you want to say "A lot of people avoid the vaccine because they think it's ineffective" that would be a true statemet. A lot of people avoid vaccines because of superstitions or ignorance. Yes i realize a small number of people are immunocomprimised and can't vaccinate, but that's why we need widespread vaccination, to protect those people. Their reason not to vaccinate has nothing to do with it's effectiveness. They rely on the efficacy of widespread vaccine addoption.
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08-10-2020, 04:29 PM | #416 | |
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08-10-2020, 04:29 PM | #417 |
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we could get semantic about what "effective" means but i will just concede
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08-11-2020, 04:22 AM | #418 |
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Let's hope I didn't jinx us personally, but there is now a mystery community spread in New Zealand. One of the breakouts from quarantine or mismanagement at one of the designated locations, I would have to assume.
Sounds like the city of Auckland is going right back into lockdown more or less immediately. |
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08-11-2020, 08:35 AM | #419 | |
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Putin rolling out vaccine without doing proper clinical trials.
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08-11-2020, 09:51 AM | #420 |
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classic Poot!
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