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Old 11-26-2011, 12:57 AM   #1
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Red face Rolling Stone's NEW 100 Greatest Guitarists list

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...rists-20111123

I know that lists like these are typically shit. Especially Rolling Stone's lists. But this...this is just inexplicably bad.

For instance, how is it that James Hetfield is #88 on this list, but Kirk Hammett didn't even make it on to the list? I don't know if Hetfield was on the original list from a few years ago (the one that had Eddie Van Halen in the 70s or 80s), but I'm pretty sure Hammett was very close to Top 10 on that one. It says that he was part of the voting here, so you could make the argument that he was excluded for that reason. Until you realize that both Joe Perry and Tom Morello were also part of the voting and are each on the list. This is just mind-boggling, and I'm one that thinks Kirk Hammett is slightly overrated most of the time.

That's just one issue with this list. There are many others to be found.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:06 AM   #2
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you read rolling stone?

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Old 11-26-2011, 01:22 AM   #3
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Actually no. Or at least I haven't for quite some time. Someone posted this on another messageboard earlier today. Apparently someone still reads Rolling Stone for some reason.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:35 AM   #4
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:48 AM   #5
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who the fuck is going to sit down and click through that piece of shit. if it were a plain text list, maybe.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 02:18 AM   #6
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who the fuck is going to sit down and click through that piece of shit. if it were a plain text list, maybe.
yup. i'm sure page or hendrix is number one.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:52 AM   #7
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Lazy cocksuckers.

100 Lindsey Buckingham
99 Thurston Moore
98 Alex Lifeson
97 Steve Jones
96 Bruce Springsteen
95 Roger McGuinn
94 Peter Buck
93 Paul Simon
92 Dimebag Darrell
91 Dave Davies
90 Tom Verlaine
89 Bonnie Raitt
88 Carl Perkins
87 James Hetfield
86 J Mascic
85 Andy Summers
84 Joe Perry
83 Eddie Hazel
82 Ned Cline
81 Lou Reed
80 Buddy Holly
79 Mike Campbell
78 John Fahey
77 Willie Nelson
76 Robbie Krieger
75 Joni Mitchell
74 Dick Dale
73 Kurt Cobain
72 John Frusciante
71 Robert Johnson
70 Jack White
69 Richard Thompson
68 John McLaughlin
67 T Bone Walker
66 Leslie West
65 Slash
64 Duane Eddy
63 Johnny Winter
62 Robert Fripp
61 Dickey Betts
60 Ron Ashton
59 Robbie Robertson
58 Peter Green
57 Rory Gallagher
56 Albert Collins
55 John Lennon
54 Joe Walsh
53 Otis Rush
52 Clarence White
51 Johnny Marr
50 Ritchie Blackmore
49 Muddy Waters
48 Johnny Greenwood
47 Stephen Stills
46 Jerry Garcia
45 Link Wray
44 Mark Knopfler
43 Hubert Sumlin
42 Mike Bloomfield
41 Mick Ronson
40 Tom Morello
39 Steve Cropper
38 The Edge
37 Mick Taylor
36 Randy Rhoads
35 John Lee Hooker
34 Curtis Mayfield
33 Prince
32 Billy Gibbons
31 Ry Cooder
30 Elmore James
29 Scotty Moore
28 Johnny Ramone
27 Bo Diddley
26 Brian May
25 Tony Iommi
24 Angus Young
23 Buddy Guy
22 Frank Zappa
21 Chet Atkins
20 Carlos Santana
19 James Burton
18 Les Paul
17 Neil Young
16 Derek Trucks
15 Freddie King
14 David Gilmour
13 Albert King
12 Stevie Ray Vaughan
11 George Harrison
10 Pete Townsend
9 Duane Allman
8 Eddie Van Halen
7 Chuck Berry
6 B.B. King
5 Jeff Beck
4 Keith Richards
3 Jimmy Page
2 Eric Clapton
1 Jimi Hendrix

(I should've posted this list at the beginning. I'm a dolt.)

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:05 AM   #9
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no b0lly major thumbs down. fuck this list

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:17 AM   #10
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this list is really bad, santana at 20, nothing but men, nothing but dinosaurs from 10 on. it's like Rolling Stone decided they were going to just be the champion of Dinosaurs and said to hell with everything else.

Absolutely no Carrie Brownstein, who made the last list, Kurt Cobain and Jack White are better guitarists than Thurston Moore, J. Mascis, Dick Dale and Tom Verlaine? Eat shit, Rolling Stone, seriously.

I love how Lou Reed and James Hetfield are on this list.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:19 AM   #11
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like, how do you put BB KIng and John Lee Hooker on this list with a straight face. I mean obviously it's supposed to be rock musicians but they put blues guys on it like it matters. I mean what about all the classical fucking gutarists you goddamn creeps

 
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CARRIE FUCKING BROWNSTEIN DEMANDS VENGEANCE

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:28 AM   #13
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RS just cranks out these lists every couple of months to boost sales. total bullshit and predictably full of dinosaurs as trots said.

isle's high alternative top guitarist list for the nu millenium (in no order, because fuck that):

wes borland
matt bellamy
jack white
jonny greenwood
gary lucas
jeff buckley
som wardner
kaki king
kelli rudick
st. vincent
robin guthrie
johnny marr
carrie brownstein (i guess, since trots won't shut up about it)
duke erikson
steve marker
beck
robert smith
the guy from deerhoof... john something
josh homme
prince
nick zinner
frank zappa
whoever used to write the prodigy's guitar parts
slipknot guys
staind guys
korn guys, probably
omar rodriguez
black rebel motorcycle club
jonny buckland (yes, from coldplay. fuck you)
guitarist from rolo tomassi
primus
god is an astronaut
noodle (gorillaz)
graham coxon
bloc party
dave mcpherson (inme)

honorable mention: joanna newsom (not a guitarist but there isn't a "100 greatest harpists" list and she deserves credit for consistently kicking ass with a stringed instrument. here at Isle Publications, we think outside the box).

and many many more.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:34 PM   #14
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Matt Bellamy what the fuck? how can anyone still think this band is good

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:36 PM   #15
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Isle your idea of "high alternative" is inexplicably tainted with total bullshit all over it

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:33 PM   #16
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Matt Bellamy what the fuck? how can anyone still think this band is good

ok, tell me exactly why you think matt bellamy is a bad guitarist/musician. listen to literally any guitar riff he has written - plug in baby, hysteria, stockholm syndrome, muscle museum, knights of cydonia - and explain to me how they don't completely kick ass and are far more creative than what virtually any other known rock guitarist in the world is doing right now. if your reply has anything to do with tired (and musically illiterate) claims that bellamy rips off rage or radiohead, then you have no place in this discussion.

he is also a godly piano player- see interlude of 'butterflies and hurricanes'.


ed: the only thing that sucks about muse are the majority of the lyrics, and matt's once-heard-never-unheard sharp intake of breathe just before every time he sings.

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:44 PM   #17
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Lazy cocksuckers.

100 Lindsey Buckingham
99 Thurston Moore
98 Alex Lifeson
97 Steve Jones
96 Bruce Springsteen
95 Roger McGuinn
94 Peter Buck
93 Paul Simon
92 Dimebag Darrell
91 Dave Davies
90 Tom Verlaine
89 Bonnie Raitt
88 Carl Perkins
87 James Hetfield
86 J Mascic
85 Andy Summers
84 Joe Perry
83 Eddie Hazel
82 Ned Cline
81 Lou Reed
80 Buddy Holly
79 Mike Campbell
78 John Fahey
77 Willie Nelson
76 Robbie Krieger
75 Joni Mitchell
74 Dick Dale
73 Kurt Cobain
72 John Frusciante
71 Robert Johnson
70 Jack White
69 Richard Thompson
68 John McLaughlin
67 T Bone Walker
66 Leslie West
65 Slash
64 Duane Eddy
63 Johnny Winter
62 Robert Fripp
61 Dickey Betts
60 Ron Ashton
59 Robbie Robertson
58 Peter Green
57 Rory Gallagher
56 Albert Collins
55 John Lennon
54 Joe Walsh
53 Otis Rush
52 Clarence White
51 Johnny Marr
50 Ritchie Blackmore
49 Muddy Waters
48 Johnny Greenwood
47 Stephen Stills
46 Jerry Garcia
45 Link Wray
44 Mark Knopfler
43 Hubert Sumlin
42 Mike Bloomfield
41 Mick Ronson
40 Tom Morello
39 Steve Cropper
38 The Edge
37 Mick Taylor
36 Randy Rhoads
35 John Lee Hooker
34 Curtis Mayfield
33 Prince
32 Billy Gibbons
31 Ry Cooder
30 Elmore James
29 Scotty Moore
28 Johnny Ramone
27 Bo Diddley
26 Brian May
25 Tony Iommi
24 Angus Young
23 Buddy Guy
22 Frank Zappa
21 Chet Atkins
20 Carlos Santana
19 James Burton
18 Les Paul
17 Neil Young
16 Derek Trucks
15 Freddie King
14 David Gilmour
13 Albert King
12 Stevie Ray Vaughan
11 George Harrison
10 Pete Townsend
9 Duane Allman
8 Eddie Van Halen
7 Chuck Berry
6 B.B. King
5 Jeff Beck
4 Keith Richards
3 Jimmy Page
2 Eric Clapton
1 Jimi Hendrix

(I should've posted this list at the beginning. I'm a dolt.)
neil young, george harrison, johnny ramone, kurt cobain, joni mitchell, willie nelson, buddy holly, lou reed, peter buck, paul simon, steve jones, etc.

this people are not even in the top 100.000.000 guitarists

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:16 PM   #18
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how the fuck do we have one guy trying to convince us that Matt Bellamy is a notable musician, and this other idiot telling us that Neil Young, Paul Simon, George Harrison, and Peter Buck aren't worth mentioning?

you guys have shit tastes

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:20 PM   #19
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ok, tell me exactly why you think matt bellamy is a bad guitarist/musician. listen to literally any guitar riff he has written - plug in baby, hysteria, stockholm syndrome, muscle museum, knights of cydonia - and explain to me how they don't completely kick ass and are far more creative than what virtually any other known rock guitarist in the world is doing right now. if your reply has anything to do with tired (and musically illiterate) claims that bellamy rips off rage or radiohead, then you have no place in this discussion.
not a bad guitarist, just completely unremarkable. You also can't just void the argument that he is very, very derivative. That's just the truth.

 
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Anthony Kiedes not being on there is a pretty big travesty.

 
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how the fuck do we have one guy trying to convince us that Matt Bellamy is a notable musician, and this other idiot telling us that Neil Young, Paul Simon, George Harrison, and Peter Buck aren't worth mentioning?

you guys have shit tastes
i love young, simon and harrison but they are not top 100 guitarists. are you kidding me?

 
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:24 PM   #22
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i love young, simon and harrison but they are not top 100 guitarists. are you kidding me?
These three are all obvious contenders for a top 100 list unless you only care about speed and technicality.

Neil Young is one of the most distinctive and influential players in any genre



Paul Simon is, again, easily one of the most recognizable and widely emulated guitarists


 
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:30 PM   #23
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also Nils Lofgren, never mentioned on any list of top guitarists, maybe the most underrated player in rock music


 
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These three are all obvious contenders for a top 100 list unless you only care about speed and technicality.

Neil Young is one of the most distinctive and influential players in any genre



Paul Simon is, again, easily one of the most recognizable and widely emulated guitarists

yes i care about techicality and speed

 
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the most annoying breed of guitar people are the ones who think ability to play fast and accurately makes the best player

 
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actually that is the only positive thing about this list... it steers away from boring, mindless speed guitarists and so called virtuosos like malmsteen (sp? who gives a fuck) and satriani and bullshit like that

 
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the most annoying breed of guitar people are the ones who think ability to play fast and accurately makes the best player
this is not a best songwriter list. top 100 guitarist ... kurt cobain???

 
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absolutely

 
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yngwe malmsteen rules tho bro

 
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not a bad guitarist, just completely unremarkable. You also can't just void the argument that he is very, very derivative. That's just the truth.
there are hundreds, maybe thousands of famous guitarists who deserve to be called "derivative" before matt bellamy does. and its such an empty accusation to begin with. isn't billy corgan "derivative" of black sabbath, hendrix, robert smith, richie blackmore, cheap trick? by your logic, some other band has a patent on improvising big dumb pentatonic riffs, using guitar effects is radiohead's shtick, and writing visionary (if lyrically inane) crossover pop-metal songs around classical arpeggios has somehow already been done bigger or better, when it hasn't. and don't even think about saying Queen did it- compared to Muse, they just scraped the tip of the iceberg. and their music was tongue-in-cheek whereas Muse's songs are thematically serious and cinematic.

i'm putting way too much effort into this given that your next reply will probably be just as brief and uninsightful as your last. i get that a guy smoking a cigar in his avatar probably feels pretty self-assured, but you don't know what talking about- or listening to, apparently.

ed- and simon / young are not great guitarists by the same definition. legendary songwriters certainly, but i wouldn't say they've written any defining, totemic guitar pieces that anyone can recognise- they are rightly remembered as songwriters first, guitarists second. and that nils lofgren clip was just as self-indulgent and vacuous as any other show-off guitar solo i've heard. just because he's not shredding, and instead playing slowly with "feeling" or "soul" (as inarticulate people often put it) doesn't mean he's any more tasteful or emotionally connective than any of those other guys. a solo is only powerful if it is played in a powerful song, and has the concise lyrical quality you find in solos like stairway, or classic pumpkins.

bleh.

 
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