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05-09-2016, 12:26 PM | #61 |
Braindead
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I am for a simple path to citizenship to anyone who wants to come here
At the very least those that are fleeing poverty in developing nations ought to all be granted refugee status |
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05-09-2016, 12:28 PM | #62 |
Braindead
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Send us your poor send us your hungry
We will benefit from them |
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05-09-2016, 12:35 PM | #63 | |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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However, I'm only talking about people who are already here who should have different rules apply to them, not a system in perpetuity that says you should get here however you can and you'll have immunity from immigration laws. |
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05-09-2016, 12:37 PM | #64 | |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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And it's not our obligation but morally, isn't it a good thing to help people in the world suffer less? Including our own citizens and other people? Why shouldn't we be compassionate if we're able? The United States won't last forever. We have a unique place in the world and could (and do to some degree) help others have a less shitty life. I think that's a good thing. |
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05-09-2016, 12:57 PM | #65 | |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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Of course they can't. But some people can. If we know who we are letting in, and have statistics on what they contribute and what they get in social services, how much schooling costs and housing costs etc change when population increases, we can create plans to ensure the economy doesn't suffer for the middle and working class. Documenting the illegals already here and offering them citizenship or a pathway to citizenship would be a first step to that. |
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05-09-2016, 01:37 PM | #66 |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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I'm not an economist so I'm not going to argue with you about that stuff. My main points are about current undocumented people who should be granted amnesty and citizenship or a path to citizenship. We can't do much without starting with that and having statistics about what is actually happening in the country w/r/t workers who are undocumented.
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05-09-2016, 02:20 PM | #67 |
Braindead
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Poverty in America is horrible but just not remotely the same thing as third world poverty where children are starving to death
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05-09-2016, 02:21 PM | #68 |
Braindead
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Poots the majority of illegals come here legally and then let their papers expire
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05-09-2016, 02:23 PM | #69 |
Braindead
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Illegals do not hurt the middle class that is a myth
If anything their low wages make our goods cheaper They work jobs Americans simply would not do |
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05-09-2016, 02:30 PM | #70 |
Braindead
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We can care for the intake we are currently taking
What's better is if we treat them like human beings and not weights, we can all profit from them |
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05-09-2016, 02:36 PM | #71 |
Braindead
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Yes to them making fair wages
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05-09-2016, 02:37 PM | #72 |
Braindead
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Also free college
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05-09-2016, 02:38 PM | #73 |
Braindead
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This is similar to the overpopulation myth where people are only seen as liabilities
People don't just consume they also produce. |
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05-09-2016, 03:09 PM | #74 |
Braindead
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Not with our current tax code
But with the right one we'd all profit |
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05-09-2016, 03:50 PM | #75 |
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FISCAL REALITY
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05-09-2016, 05:46 PM | #76 |
Braindead
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I'm suggesting we make them legal and anyone else who wants to come here legal
We then raise taxes dramatically on the wealthiest Americans. 90% marginal on anything over 500k a year probably. Raise taxes on corporations, close loop holes that allow them to pay practically nothing. Further taxation on wall street trading and speculation A bit of a tax increase on the middle class because let's be realistic it's necessary. Deep cuts to military spending We then take that money and invest in our population. Education, healthcare, jobs, sustainable energy |
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05-09-2016, 05:50 PM | #77 |
Braindead
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Our smart healthy population goes to work and adds to the economy we all profit
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05-09-2016, 06:58 PM | #78 | |
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He called out the Bush family for lying about the Iraq war and how it wasted lives and money which would have been better spent elsewhere. Increasing torture? I don't recall that statement specifically other than he said he would re-introduce water boarding, if that's what you mean. At this point, he's to the left of Hillary on military action. Hillary is a devotee to the Neo-ConClan and her disaster that is the Arab Spring will only be replicated as often as it can if she's President. I agree the wall is stupid. I just don't think its necessary. But as to deportations what part of the word "illegal" do you have a problem with? A referendum on Muslim immigrants would create this domino effect: Trump will find out how the religion has been scapegoated and who really did 9/11 and round up the true culprits. Whether he follows through with all this to get this point remains to be seen, but he's the only politico who realistically has the gumption to do it. |
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05-09-2016, 06:58 PM | #79 |
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That said, did you see London has a muslim mayor now? First one ever in a major city of the western world. He also thinks moderate muslims are "Uncle Tom's" and obviously, the sharia law devoted muslims in london are just chomping at the bit to get their reign on.
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05-09-2016, 08:18 PM | #80 | |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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05-09-2016, 09:44 PM | #81 |
Braindead
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its a lot harder than that we're talking about people who don't exist in America as far as records go
An attempt to enforce the law absolutely ends up violating other laws |
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05-09-2016, 09:48 PM | #82 |
Braindead
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So not only is it immoral it's also like straight up impossible to do what Trump wants to do to illegals
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05-09-2016, 09:50 PM | #83 |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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This is a unique situation and the law does need to be modified. 11 million people don't need to be deported for that to happen. They are here and assimilated. Document them and then move on with new laws, or enforcing laws differently. Deporting illegal immigrants in mass is a ridiculous and logistically impossible solution, even if it is technically what the law would have us do. I don't have anything else to say about this if we're just going to go in circles.
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05-09-2016, 10:07 PM | #84 |
Braindead
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How do you single out illegals on a massive scale without infringing on the rights of legals
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05-09-2016, 10:08 PM | #85 |
Braindead
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You are super dense
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05-09-2016, 10:12 PM | #86 |
Braindead
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"at the expense of the middle class"
If they are legal they become tax payers like everyone, it's not at our expense, goddamn I give the fuck up |
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05-09-2016, 10:14 PM | #87 |
Braindead
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You are talking about a witch hunt on a massive scale
This is why it hasn't already been done. You want gov agents asking for your papers everywhere you go |
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05-09-2016, 10:28 PM | #88 |
Braindead
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How
Do You Find All The Illegals |
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05-09-2016, 10:30 PM | #89 |
Braindead
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05-09-2016, 10:56 PM | #90 | ||
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Real life is that there are limited resources. No matter how liberal one wants to be, there has to be a number, a cap, on immigrants. Just know you have one as well and at that point, someone else who thinks it should be larger can claim you are being immoral. But that's philosophical reality. In actuality the immigration influx is a Bolshevik re-do and at least Poland figured it out. Imagine that. Poland ‘won’t accept refugees because of threat to security’ – Kaczynski Quote:
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