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Old 03-29-2017, 04:23 PM   #361
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thats not to mention the time my dental insurance "misbilled" me for a $1000 tooth extraction that i just decided to pay out of pocket because i couldn't take dealing with it for long
this happened to me once, i got billed for a pap smear and HPV test because they changed paps to be only once every two years and HPV they just don't pay for anymore. i didn't know either of these things and i called my insurance and the rep just read their policy to me and was like 'are you high risk???' and I was like well I think so, my mom and grandmother had breast cancer, on the other side of my family there was uterine cancer and i'm having weird signs of having too much estrogen, i didn't get the HPV vaccine as a child, I GUESS I MIGHT BE HIGH RISK FOR CANCER AND HPV, but i'm not sure. and she was like well call quest and have them re-bill as high risk and i was like okay whatever and just paid it

a few months later quest sent me a check, i guess my rep was an asshole to me but contacted quest without telling me or something, it was nice but yeah i get just being like fuck it whatever

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:30 PM   #362
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you didn't see when fuzzy admitted he thought obamacare was an insurance plan and then tried to defend himself that "it might as well be"
lol, then he copied-and-pasted some bullshit from InfoWars without even acknowledging that he didn't write it himself, and got indignant when I asked if he even read it before posting it.

Reminds me of when Beltey was arguing on the O-Board that homosexuality was delisted as a mental illness for dubious reasons, and when confronted with peer-reviewed academic literature contradicting him, linked me to some paper to support his argument that he claimed was a "pretty good historical analysis of the delisting of homosexuality from the DSM."

Not only was the paper somebody's high-school assignment, it actually argued the opposite of what Beltey thought it was. He didn't even read it.

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:32 PM   #363
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Re med providers and insurers

Yah u gotta watch em all the time, scrupulosuly compare the EOB to the dr bills and never ever throw anything away

I've even had the fuckers tell me I never paid for something when I'm sitting there looking at an image of my cashed check

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:34 PM   #364
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i had a doc's office do that to me once. i've been going there for like 10 years and all of a sudden i get a COLLECTIONS letter i was so angry. over $21 or something. i know it's their biller and not them but i still had the receipt and so i went into the office and the receptionist had to call the biller and they told her SHE WAS WRONG and she was like bitch, i got the receipt right in front of my face and if this goes on the patient's credit report we will have a problem.

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:35 PM   #365
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And yah if you're ever in hospital they want $1,500 for basically everything:

Hospital bed - $1,500
Hospital food - $1,500
Nurse who woke you up but didn't give you the pain meds you cried for - $1,500
Breathing hospital's air - $1,500

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:38 PM   #366
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And yah if you're ever in hospital they want $1,500 for basically everything:

Hospital bed - $1,500
Hospital food - $1,500
Nurse who woke you up but didn't give you the pain meds you cried for - $1,500
Breathing hospital's air - $1,500
Being forced to watch nothing but TruTV and Maury Povich - Priceless

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:41 PM   #367
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i had a doc's office do that to me once. i've been going there for like 10 years and all of a sudden i get a COLLECTIONS letter i was so angry. over $21 or something. i know it's their biller and not them but i still had the receipt and so i went into the office and the receptionist had to call the biller and they told her SHE WAS WRONG and she was like bitch, i got the receipt right in front of my face and if this goes on the patient's credit report we will have a problem.
FUCKERS! Whew glad you had a competent and sympathetic receptionist lady that day, or you might still be fighting over that $21

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 04:58 PM   #368
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Being forced to watch nothing but TruTV and Maury Povich - Priceless
Metaphorically, yes. But we actually bill $1500 for it.

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 05:02 PM   #369
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single payer is the only solution, try socialism

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 05:26 PM   #370
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Yeah and your never going to get it

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 05:39 PM   #371
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and i'm supposed to believe you're on the left

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:03 PM   #372
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No what I mean is that unfortunately the lobbyists in the US are just too powerful

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:21 PM   #373
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i don't understand what liberals get out of telling people nothing can be done

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:26 PM   #374
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Justice Democrats

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:04 PM   #375
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single payer is the only solution, try socialism
I believe this is correct. The only solution to the healthcare crisis is to socialize.

I'm not convinced it's impossible either. Right now, yes, but things are only going to get worse in terms of insurance companies and the ACA's failures... but one of its successes is that it (and Bernie Sanders) has planted a seed of thought in our society that healthcare is a right and everyone has the right to see a doctor and not pay $100,000 for getting injured and shit like that. Relative deprivation caused a lot of "independents" and even conservatives to turn on the GOP for their plan, which is basically just to go backwards and fuck everyone cause it's the companies who matter. I think it's clear people won't accept that as a solution. There's only one direction to go.

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:26 PM   #376
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you can't run human health for profit, its diabolical

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:26 PM   #377
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i really struggle to justify therapists as intellectual labor that's worth the amount of money they charge
not all therapists are equal though.

I feel that I have paid my clinical psychologists exactly the right amount, though. Registered psychologists should charge less, and most do.

Most "counsellors" that have no clinical qualifications have been utter shite IME.

Worse than useless.

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:31 PM   #378
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you can't run human health for profit, its diabolical
it makes for pretty shitty healthcare, I think that's been shown in numerous countries now.

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:39 PM   #379
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it makes people suspicious of doctors & medicine and gives incentives to treat & not cure or diagnose & not follow up i mean its just bad

further i personally have found RNs to be just as knowledgeable as MDs and tbqf more of the proletarian in the situation between the two and i wonder if the whole hierarchy of degrees isn't some vestige of patriarchy that we should completely obliterate

you should be richly rewarded for doing the work of a nurse or physical therapist or doctor but my definition of "rich reward" isn't six figures

 
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You can if it has a public subsidy

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:05 PM   #381
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it makes people suspicious of doctors & medicine and gives incentives to treat & not cure or diagnose & not follow up i mean its just bad

further i personally have found RNs to be just as knowledgeable as MDs and tbqf more of the proletarian in the situation between the two and i wonder if the whole hierarchy of degrees isn't some vestige of patriarchy that we should completely obliterate

you should be richly rewarded for doing the work of a nurse or physical therapist or doctor but my definition of "rich reward" isn't six figures
there are absolutely nurses whose medical knowledge is as good as your average doctor's

 
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it makes people suspicious of doctors & medicine and gives incentives to treat & not cure or diagnose & not follow up i mean its just bad

further i personally have found RNs to be just as knowledgeable as MDs and tbqf more of the proletarian in the situation between the two and i wonder if the whole hierarchy of degrees isn't some vestige of patriarchy that we should completely obliterate

you should be richly rewarded for doing the work of a nurse or physical therapist or doctor but my definition of "rich reward" isn't six figures
yes this is all true though I believe that there is an unspoken understanding among nurses that if you raised the pay level the job would just begin to attract the same self important asshats that are currently doctors

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:11 PM   #383
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ex girlfriend's dad was a surgeon, mom was an NP (which does require a graduate degree). definitely trusted her mom on medical shit more. she was required to go to all these courses and take qualification renewals and shit like all the fucking time

 
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yes this is all true though I believe that there is an unspoken understanding among nurses that if you raised the pay level the job would just begin to attract the same self important asshats that are currently doctors
abolish doctors and make everyone nurses

 
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there are absolutely nurses whose medical knowledge is as good as your average doctor's
they even have ones that are "nurse practitioners" who are de facto doctors, but get paid a lot less, its fucking LUDICROUS

 
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the beauracratic hierarchy alone inflates cost

 
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ex girlfriend's dad was a surgeon, mom was an NP (which does require a graduate degree).
ah yeah sos you know.

the nurses i worked with at my last job were phenomenal, brilliant women

 
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There is a big wealth gap between doctors as well - some begin their careers saddled with huge debt, and having lost most of their twenties with their noses in textbooks. I think if you want these kids to become good doctors you have to help them pay back their student debt and have the means to relax. Once they become locums, before they specialise, they end up working a lot of night shifts in emergency departments, getting abused by alcoholics and drug addicts and homeless people.

The ones you really have to watch out for are the 3rd/4th generation doctors - the ones who graduate debt free, the ones whose parents gave them plenty of recreation and leisure opportunities by sending them to cancun for spring break or whatever. These are the kids who tend to rise to the top and fill the spots in all the highest paid medical specialist fields - surgeons of all description but especially cardiologists, maxillofacial surgeons, ophthalmologists, all that kind of stuff.

These fucking assholes don't need any kind of break given to them and if anything need to be barred from making more than 100k/year so that they rethink their career choices and turn to a job that would suit their privilege better, like stockbroking or property investment or whatever

wayyy too many of these jerks around sydney. Being a cardio surgeon in private practice in a finance based city is basically a licence to print money

Sydney health is in the shitter because just about every doctor here ends up wanting a big house in a good suburb with their kids at private schools and a yacht and european holidays, so surgeons are known to be performing unnecessary surgeries just for money. it's sick.

 
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poots you're extremely dumb and you're dogmatically committed to the status quo, thats why you always think i'm stupid

 
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there is certainly a difference in the amount of education a nurse gets vs a doctor, however doctors don't use most of their training every day, so it really doesn't matter. a cardiologist and a cardio nurse might know similar amounts of info regarding cardiology, though the MD may have more general medical knowledge and knowledge of other medical fields. but it doesn't matter while you're sitting in his or her office for a heart problem.

i mean look at psychiatrists, they went to med school too and i think the only medical equipment my psychiatrist has is a scale and a blood pressure cuff. the last time my doctor did anything besides psychiatry was probably his last day of residence 20 years ago. in fact he has to worry way more about pharmacology than anything else

 
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