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Gish 158 74.53%
Zeitgeist 54 25.47%
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:17 PM   #91
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maybe i got into the pumpkins too late to really relate to gish. i mean, i used to love to play gish songs on the guitar, but the album never really grabbed me on a personal level. zeitgeist doesnt really grab me on a personal level either, though, but i feel like some of the songs are a bit more heartfelt. i know crazy right? gish seems kind of emotionless to me.

the thing about zeitgeist is i dont feel like it was bold musically. gish was more adventurous in its day, and for that i give it credit and my vote. plus snail is fucking amazing.

to me, the pumpkins really came into their own after gish with the pre-SD stuff.

 
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:09 AM   #92
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gish is my favorite pumpkins record.

its also my favorite record of all time, by any band ever. its my "desert island" record...and my "sitting on death row" record.

the music, the lyrics, the song-writing...its the "spirit of the time" for me, with emotional and personal connections galore.
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:44 AM   #93
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right, i forgot you think shit like this is clever and unbeatable

 
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Old 03-16-2008, 01:04 AM   #94
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Forgot about that aspect of "Suffer." That recorder solo kind of reminds me of the violin part in Superchrist in terms of "did I jsut hear that?"
I did consider that analogy...but I decided against it, and here's why: because (for me, at least) it actually "works" musically. Although the recorder melody could be considered somewhat unusual it doesn't just sound like someone decided to splice a random interlude into the middle of the song. Note that the backing instrumentation and song rhythm never actually disappear from the background, despite the novel presence of the flute in the foreground.
The way it breaks in reminds me more of that reverb-drenched "solo" melody in LaDollyVita.

 
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:18 PM   #95
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As for Gish, whatever mediocrity liesi n tracks 4-7
you do realize that Bury Me is track 4 and Snail is track 7, right?

 
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Old 03-16-2008, 11:58 PM   #96
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Gish is just amateurish compared to everything Billy has done since. His vocals sound bored (even more so than on Zeitgeist), the riffs are bland, the lyrics are uninteresting, and the production is lacklustre.
You are a fucking idiot.

 
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Old 03-16-2008, 11:59 PM   #97
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I see what you mean about the rawness of the album (gish)
This is what made Gish so great. You probably won't hear another studio album with this type of content ever again. Labels won't allow it.

 
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:09 AM   #98
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How can anyone not like Snail?! Or Crush or Suffer. That final 3/4 build up in Snail into the last solo and Jimmy's crazy drumming, that's fucking gold right there.
Jimmy. Yes.

 
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:55 AM   #99
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This is what made Gish so great. You probably won't hear another studio album with this type of content ever again. Labels won't allow it.
It's well produced rawness. That's why the production appears so "seamless" and really lets the instruments shine through.

 
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:23 AM   #100
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MCIS>SD>MachinaI>MachinaII>Adore>Gish>PI>Zwan>TFE>all demos, all unedited stuff, anything Billy did at home, at toillet whatever> Zeitgeist


p.s. SD>MachinaI>MachinaII>Adore>Gish>PI ... this ones I love them all, for me it is unfair compare them... thats why I fucking LOVE Smashing Pumpkins

 
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:49 AM   #101
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maybe i got into the pumpkins too late to really relate to gish. i mean, i used to love to play gish songs on the guitar, but the album never really grabbed me on a personal level. zeitgeist doesnt really grab me on a personal level either, though, but i feel like some of the songs are a bit more heartfelt. i know crazy right? gish seems kind of emotionless to me.

the thing about zeitgeist is i dont feel like it was bold musically. gish was more adventurous in its day, and for that i give it credit and my vote. plus snail is fucking amazing.

to me, the pumpkins really came into their own after gish with the pre-SD stuff.
For me Gish sort of paints the perfect picture of where the band was at right at that time. Compared to their early "new wave" music it had already come a long way and was the result of quite a lot of maturing. It's a bit simple when held against the following three albums, but it's very beautiful in that simplicity. I have always liked the lyrics too.

Maybe Zeitgeist is a portrait of the band right now too, but that would be a portrait of two forty year olds playing 6 minute songs consisting of only the open D chord on baritone guitars.

 
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:45 PM   #102
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Of course Gish wins, it's vintage now!!!
Zeitgeist was good too, but all the songs (except the last one) where kinda in the same vibe... it didn't have interesting differences among its songs, as almost all the previous SP albums...

 
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:18 PM   #103
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:23 AM   #104
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gish is an aweosme album but i'll have to give the nod to zeitgeist.

 
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:26 AM   #105
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:09 PM   #106
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wait nevermind.

 
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:25 PM   #107
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MSOTS is not better than Zeitgeist.

It has one good song and the rest are complete shit.

 
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Old 07-08-2008, 07:43 PM   #108
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I need to change my vote to Gish..

Z is still better than Machina though.

 
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Old 07-08-2008, 07:50 PM   #109
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so basically davin prefers gish because it IS zeitgeist

 
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:43 PM   #110
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Both albums are good, however, I think Zeitgeist is the better album!

 
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:30 AM   #111
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How could anyone seriously make this thread?

Gish vs. Zeitgeist?

Zeitgeist has its moments, but it doesn't touch Gish.

 
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:14 AM   #112
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so basically davin prefers gish because it IS zeitgeist
a zeigeist, in a sense. sure.

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:03 AM   #113
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How is this even a question.

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:16 AM   #114
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Yeah fuck you OP. I know you're reading this.

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:40 AM   #115
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snail is easily an all time greatest to me.
I listened to 'Snail' the other day and my first thought was "this is so much better than that new song".

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:42 AM   #116
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How could anyone seriously make this thread?

Gish vs. Zeitgeist?

Zeitgeist has its moments, but it doesn't touch Gish.
You'll never see a Zeitgeist08 post here.

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:35 AM   #117
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How is this even a question.
Because Gish is pretty trash. So is Zeitgeist.

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:03 PM   #118
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Anyone who voted for ZG is a blasphemer

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 10:36 PM   #119
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Oh come on, this is a no brainer.
I've met so many people who couldn't get into "Gish" and I still don't understand. Is it a difficult album ? Not at all. I still get lost in "Gish", it's so adventurous, hypnotic and beautiful. How can you go wrong with an album that has "Rhinoceros", "Crush", "Siva", "Suffer", "Daydream"...It's an amazing debut album. With a very personal heavy and psychedelic sound. And I love "I'm going crazy" too - The Pumpkins never did the ghost track thing again, when everybody started doing it post-"Nevermind"!

 
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Old 10-23-2014, 10:48 PM   #120
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LMGTWTY was a ghost track on Adore

it's just that all the untr00 fans turned the CD off after 17

 
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