Do you ever feel guilty pirating indie music

[slunken]

For real I can't think of the last thing I "pirated". Mostly tv shows and movies. Maybe an ancient blues album or something. I don't listen to much music compared to most people I think. I tend to enjoy what I have.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sppunk

Crowds suck now with everyone holding up phones the entire time

this is getting better, at least i've noticed

really fuckin annoyed me when i attended my first real concert in ten years when i went to see the pixies 2010 and it was a phonepocalypse. i think it's gotten better as we're creating cell phone etiquette as we go along.

i love shows, i put my hands around a beer and have a few friends to chat with

then we rock

heartless bastards this thursday, i got cloud nothings and others on the ho risin.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

a good show is worth it. going into the city on the train, walking a bunch of blocks to the venue, wanting beer bad enough to buy it even though it costs like 8 fucking dollars... all these things are a pain in the ass, but definitely worth having your face rocked off

i went to see deafheaven
it was 100 degrees at 10 at night
Red 7 says fuck air conditioners
i was wearing a black button up and black jeans
lone star tall boy is like 4 dollar
the opener, Marriages, was incredible
Deafheaven played for an hour and a half
they played five songs
it was trancendental

[sppunk]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

this is getting better, at least i've noticed

really fuckin annoyed me when i attended my first real concert in ten years when i went to see the pixies 2010 and it was a phonepocalypse. i think it's gotten better as we're creating cell phone etiquette as we go along.

i love shows, i put my hands around a beer and have a few friends to chat with

then we rock

heartless bastards this thursday, i got cloud nothings and others on the ho risin.

It might depend on the audience. I saw Pearl Jam a few months ago and holy fuck was it annoying, sane w/Belle & Sebastian last summer. But for David Bazan it wasn't bad, though it was a house show so a little different setup there.

Maybe younger crowds aren't as bad as shows that get more middle-aged and over people. I think especially 20 and some 30 somethings likely have better etiquette there.

[Trotskilicious]

yeah i haven't been to a rilly big show in a while i tend to get sour if the tickets are more than 30 bucks

i've been to a lot of 15 dollar and under shows lately because i am a hipster or whatever

small clubs are best what can i say

[bignothing]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

This seems arbitrary ugh fucking tablets I mean that it seems arbitrary to refuse to pay for a download.

I guess I just like holding on to something, especially considering the effort put into the artwork for some bands. Also if I format my HD, I still "have" all the music I bought.

Originally Posted by whywontyoulistn

to be honest I have no idea how much money they get from sales; maybe I should just throw money at them when I go to shows.

Bands get a bigger cut from stuff you buy directly through them, but good musicians will tell you to support your local record store anyway since they help that whole industry exist in the first place.

Originally Posted by Rairun

I moved to a different country and had to leave most of my collection behind.

lol I currently have small record collections in three different countries. Not sure what I'm going to do when I figure out where I'm actually going to live. Things end up owning you etc...

[bignothing]

Originally Posted by sppunk

But for David Bazan it wasn't bad, though it was a house show so a little different setup there.

Maybe younger crowds aren't as bad as shows that get more middle-aged and over people. I think especially 20 and some 30 somethings likely have better etiquette there.

One of my biggest regrets is having missed the opportunity to see a Bazan house show. I still kick myself over it It seems obvious that PJ would attract an annoying crowd somehow.

I'm not sure I attend many concerts that people under 20 would attend, but in my experience the phone thing is really from every age. Good venues have the security telling people no pictures. Sometimes I put my camera on the stage and turn off the screen, so it records the whole thing and no one ever knows. Sometimes I use my phone for a few seconds. I try not to be obnoxious but I guess it can be annoying to some.

[Trotskilicious]

none of your photos, videos, or boots are any good i'd wager

[bignothing]

trots if you want me to get defensive please know i don't wanna go that route with you

my photos suck but my videos and boots tend to be alright

[Trotskilicious]

i'm just saying it's annoying because it's not worth it and it bothers others

cell phones at shows are a serious peeve

[Trotskilicious]

this is fucking annoying guys



it's pointless, you're not even engaging the live show in front of you, you're staring into your screen, getting highlights of all the screens in front of you

you are beyond privileged to have so much entertainment, stop acting like you need to record it

[Order 66]

i... i have to. you don't understand

[duovamp]

My mom did that at the Billy Joel concert Friday. Didn't have the heart to tell her it's bad etiquette.

[Order 66]

but who couldn't resist snapping a pic of this handsome devil

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...billie_joe.jpg

[Trotskilicious]

omg he's so punk rock

[Shallowed]

I don't even know why people even bother when the photos and videos tend to look like blurry muliticoloured shit and sound like overdriven BWOOOOOO

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Order 66

but who couldn't resist snapping a pic of this handsome devil

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...billie_joe.jpg

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

omg he's so punk rock

no, I need someone more... punk rock?

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Order 66

but who couldn't resist snapping a pic of this handsome devil

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...billie_joe.jpg

She did take a picture of me, yes.

[redbreegull]

As for phones, I don't mind if people want to take a few pictures over the course of the night, and I am just as guilty of wanting to snap one of the National doing an all acoustic encore as the next guy, but some music enthusiasts feel the need to hold their fucking phones up the whole damn show. It definitely gets obnoxious quickly.

but my biggest concert peeve is that people, at least DC crowds, do not move. like at all. I'm generally a pretty reserved guy in public but somehow I find myself always moving more than literally anyone else in the fucking venue, and it's not like I get drunk and thrash around like a maniac. your average DC crowd for a rock show is usually packed with clean-cut young professionals who head straight from work to the show, sling their sports jackets over their shoulders and stand awkwardly in their suits and ties, shifting weight from one foot to the other all night, staring miserably at the stage and acting in general like attending this awesome concert is such a fucking burden. It's a real downer and I feel bad for artists. I don't know how you can look out into the crowd and get excited when everyone is standing around like a capitol hill zombie douche

[slunken]

deafheaven played here last week and i couldn't go because i really didn't have the money for theater tickets

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

oh my god punch city we could have a contest who can knock the most phones to the ground before the song is done

[redbreegull]

the other most obnoxious thing to me is when the venue has seats and people want to sit down. As far as I am concerned, standing up at rock shows is what you do and if you want to sit, you're going to have to deal with not being able to see. sorry. Saw Pumpkins do that two night white crosses black souls bullshit at DAR hall in 2008. Shows were pretty good actually, crowd was terrible. People kept standing up for the hits and then sitting down during the acoustic songs, yelling at others to sit down when they wanted to sit down, etc. They played Speed Kills and I was just like am I really going to sit down through Speed Kills? No, I'm not. So I just ignored the people shouting down in the front and eventually everyone around me stood up too.

I saw Neil Young and Crazy Horse last year, and look, I understand that a lot of the people in the crowd are old, but it seemed like they were expecting him to sit on a stool and play Needle and the Damage Done all night. The show was a blizzard of noise insanity, Neil Young jumped on his organ, snapped all his strings, etc. But everyone sat through the entire thing. The guy in front of me fell asleep during Out of the Black. Another guy kept putting his fingers in his ears. Neil played Powderfinger and I stood up because fuck that, and in ten seconds some irate 70 year old dick rushed down to frantically tell me I had to sit down and had I never been to a show before and his wife couldn't see. sorry you old dick, but fuck you. pissed me off an especially large amount because I am poor and can't afford to drop big bucks on a ticket. I usually don't go to anything more than 30 bucks. Because I wanted to see Crazy Horse before they don't tour again, I dropped 100 dollars to see them, and my seat was really shitty, all the way up in the arena and far away from the stage. I didn't pay $100 to sit down all night while Neil Young, who looks like a dessicated corpse, jumps around like he is 20 years old.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

the other most obnoxious thing to me is when the venue has seats and people want to sit down. As far as I am concerned, standing up at rock shows is what you do and if you want to sit, you're going to have to deal with not being able to see. sorry. Saw Pumpkins do that two night white crosses black souls bullshit at DAR hall in 2008. Shows were pretty good actually, crowd was terrible. People kept standing up for the hits and then sitting down during the acoustic songs, yelling at others to sit down when they wanted to sit down, etc. They played Speed Kills and I was just like am I really going to sit down through Speed Kills? No, I'm not. So I just ignored the people shouting down in the front and eventually everyone around me stood up too.

I saw Neil Young and Crazy Horse last year, and look, I understand that a lot of the people in the crowd are old, but it seemed like they were expecting him to sit on a stool and play Needle and the Damage Done all night. The show was a blizzard of noise insanity, Neil Young jumped on his organ, snapped all his strings, etc. But everyone sat through the entire thing. The guy in front of me fell asleep during Out of the Black. Another guy kept putting his fingers in his ears. Neil played Powderfinger and I stood up because fuck that, and in ten seconds some irate 70 year old dick rushed down to frantically tell me I had to sit down and had I never been to a show before and his wife couldn't see. sorry you old dick, but fuck you.

depends on the venue if you ask me. mob rules. if you were raised southern baptist snakehandler and then you went to a methodist church yea you would probably get stared at and/or escorted out if you started shaking and speaking in tongues.

but on the other hand you can't let anyone ruin your good time and i'm sure you weren't being an obnoxious fuck about it and climbing on the chairs and woo-hooing in peoples ears and spilling beer on grandma

[slunken]

i just realized most of the shows i've been to in the past 5 years have been country and western acts

[Bread Regal]

i find that the crowds in orlando are quite awesome. people talk about the awful crowds in places like NYC, LA, Austin etc. But I've always thought the crowds here are especially gracious and enthusiastic towards the touring bands.

[Eulogy]

i dunno, i think if a venue has seats it's ok to sit. what is gained by standing? when i stand for a whole show my back starts to hurt. : /

[Eulogy]

last show i went to was fiona apple and pretty much everyone sat the whole time. still really good energy though.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

I don't even know why people even bother when the photos and videos tend to look like blurry muliticoloured shit and sound like overdriven BWOOOOOO

it really comes down to this

oh man check out this video i took during vampire weekend! *blurry, indistinct shapes on stage, lots of shaking, visual blotted by seven hundred cellphones, sound quality sounds like an elephant inside of an indoor swimming pool*

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

i find that the crowds in orlando are quite awesome. people talk about the awful crowds in places like NYC, LA, Austin etc. But I've always thought the crowds here are especially gracious and enthusiastic towards the touring bands.

austin is a double edged sword, shows like deafheaven or titus andronicus are full of believers and the leonard cohen show was downright reverential

we're gregarious and spoiled on live music...so there's a lot of chatting and drinking, also lots of people are really just going to whatever's on because twitter says so

[sppunk]

I saw Young at the Hippodrome and sat for most the night. It's a fuckng gorgeous theater with super steep balconies, sitting is the most viable option.

It depends entirely on venue IMO.