Britpop tiers

[Mals Marola]

he's... extremely prolific

that b-side album coulda been a double, maybe triple if they'd actually pulled from everything, there are songs not even present on that one that i'd say are quality material

that's not really the criteria being prolific, but still, he definitely wasn't falling short in consistency either

[Elphenor]

Yeah I edited to "great" because obviously he's prolific

I just think they're pretty weak

[toase]

Now that I know what a tier is:

1) Bealtes, Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath
2) My Bloody Valentine, Scott Walker, Kate Bush
3) Tricky, Massive Attack, Portishead
4) Amy Winehouse, Oasis, Blur

[vixnix]

so now Massive Attack is britpop, apparently

[vixnix]

and no pulp!

[Mals Marola]

he's effortlessly great, there's no denying it

if someone can listen to definitely maybe & not be completely swept up by the energy and enthusiasm of it all, i don't really see why they'd waste their time with anything else in the "rock & roll" region

[Elphenor]

You can't really get away with that kind of statement with any band nevertheless fucking Oasis

[Mals Marola]

well, look at that, i just did

[toase]

Originally Posted by vixnix

so now Massive Attack is britpop, apparently

hmm I guess I got that wrong
But whats is pop anyways? (kiding)

Pulp is not my thing

[Mals Marola]

oh wow i thought that was a joke

http://media0.giphy.com/media/aBooMpl2faiHK/200_s.gif

[vixnix]

I was hard on you Elphenor, but you're not actually that bad.

FWIW, everyone wore Lennons in the mid 90s. I had a few pairs - one pair had silver rims and this sort of rainbow reflective coating on them. So don't be too hard on Liam for that. Be hard on him because he's an insufferable git with a bandsaw voice.

Noel's not what I'd call a terrific songwriter but he always came across in interviews like he understood that, that's part of what I liked about him and Oasis. I think he knew their popularity was due more to the tragic nature of popular music tastes than any particular talent he had. Though I still think Wonderwall is a good song. Those chords are wonderful and the progression is fairly unmistakeable now, and it wasn't a truly hideous misuse of a good progression. Some truly wonderful riffs have been wasted on terrible lyrics and melodies over the years but Wonderwall doesn't top any of my lists in that regard.

You gotta give the guy props for not whining like a little mama's boy when his fame and popularity subsided, the way....some other figures in popular music, from the same era, have continued to do...

[Catherine Wheel]

Oasis are like Blur in that they have some good b sides but what winds up on their albums is pretty awful for the most part. I do like Wonderwall though.

Blur have enough good b sides to make several albums out of. Oasis don't quite cut it in that regard.

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Oasis are like Blur in that they have some good b sides but what winds up on their albums is pretty awful for the most part.

this is not the case for either of these bands, what are you even talking about lol

[Catherine Wheel]

Blur's first four albums are insufferable. Self Titled and 13 are great. And then there are all their wonderful b sides which I made albums out of.

[Elphenor]

Blur is legit I guess

[Mals Marola]

they're fucking great

jesus christ, what a community

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Blur's first four albums are insufferable. Self Titled and 13 are great. And then there are all their wonderful b sides which I made albums out of.

why are you even talking about britpop, with an opinion like that (not an "elitist post," those are just the albums that pretty much defined the thing via blur & whatnot, before they you know, kind of disowned it with the albums you mentioned along with think tank)

[Mals Marola]

i mean parklife is one of three or four definitive britpop albums, calling their first four albums "insufferable" is like trying to rank '60s british pop/rock after having said everything the beatles did in that decade was shit

[Elphenor]

I really don't like Brit-pop minus a few groups

80's UK stuff was just sooooooo much better

[Mals Marola]

what is the point of even comparing that

it's like apples & fucking broccoli

[Elphenor]

Well it's like you're wondering how I can be so-so about Blur and hate Oasis and it's because Britpop is garbage

[Catherine Wheel]

Urban Hymns and Lost Souls and A Rush of Blood To The Head are also definitive Britpop and I love those. I also like Suede's first one and that's definitive Britpop.

[Mals Marola]

i wasn't wondering that in fact i've become pretty accustomed to your "questionable" opinions

i don't really care, it's all a "your loss" situation to me in this cases. maybe someday the poor men will come around

until then...

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Urban Hymns and Lost Souls and A Rush of Blood To The Head are also definitive Britpop and I love those. I also like Suede's first one and that's definitive Britpop.

yeah, that was one of the ones i had in mind, too

those first three, while pretty good (urban hymns is particularly great) were after the thing was done, the whole britpop thing was early 90s and sonically it had moved on to either the alty experimental stuff blur, pulp, etc. had started doing or the more melancholic less overtly "british" stuff that made people want to coin the term anyway

i don't know it's just such an obvious sonic difference to me i think it's kind of funny when people try & group bands like radiohead in with that whole movement/party/thing

parklife, different class, definitely maybe, & suede were the ones i was originally referring to, by the way

[Catherine Wheel]

The second wave of Britpop (Coldplay, Elbow, Doves) was a lot more melancholic than the first wave. Lot more songs composed on piano too.

What do you think of Seldom Seen Kid by Elbow?

[Mals Marola]

i'm sounding like a fucking journalist/elphenor here & i realize but i mean, if yer gonna give something a name, might as well make it count, right?

& no i've never heard that song (or album?), or even band really

not so great on the 2nd-wave brit pahp!

[Trotskilicious]

fuckin catherine wheel

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

& no i've never heard that song (or album?), or even band really

not so great on the 2nd-wave brit pahp!

from what I've seen of your taste on here, I'd guess you'll like Elbow.
you could start from 2014 going backwards, I like their latest album a lot








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(on a side note - what the fuck is it with the "tiers" in this thread, is everything that's British automatically Britpop? I'm gonna start labelling music as post-3rd wave Amirock.)

[Barry swedgin]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Urban Hymns and Lost Souls and A Rush of Blood To The Head are also definitive Britpop and I love those. I also like Suede's first one and that's definitive Britpop.

I've never regarded Suede as Britpop, especially their first album. It's generally regarded that the emergence of Oasis (and Britpop) burst the Suede bubble. Suede were your poetry reading, heroin taking, studenty types - definitely not Britpop.

Britpop was about getting pissed up with your mates, taking Es and charlie, watching football (soccer) and shagging birds - definitely not Suede-like behaviour.

[Barry swedgin]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Well it's like you're wondering how I can be so-so about Blur and hate Oasis and it's because Britpop is garbage

I agree, looking back at Britpop most of it is rubbish.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Elijah Moon

In terms of impact, surely Oasis is top tier?

yes, this list is a joke without correcting that. 4 percent of the adult British population applied for tickets to the two Knebworth shows - myself not included but still...