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Old 09-03-2018, 11:27 PM   #361
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If the leaks are representative of the stuff we'll see in the reissue, then this will be the first Pumpkin release I've been excited for since... the Adore reissue, I guess.

I still wish they would break up the reissues for Machina and Machina II, like MCIS and TAFH.
Fill the Machina reissue with outtakes and alternate versions / demos, then Machina II can get all the EPs on disc with bonus demos and live takes.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:05 AM   #362
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Yeah I can’t believe that anyone even questions that Machina was a flop. It performed so poorly that the record label refused to release Machina II because they figured it would flop too.

And yeah, I know Billy thinks SIYL and Try are fan favorites but just speaking from personal experience I’ve yet to meet a single SP fan who lists either of those songs among their favorites. I love TEG but even that one wouldn’t crack my top 20. Maybe my top 30.
How is it a flop if it went gold? And gave them 2 hit songs. And in the uk went silver and gave them one hit song. Are you actually hearing what you are saying? How does that make sense at all? Outside of bizarro world

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:06 AM   #363
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You're still on about it? I mean, for a band that sold 4 million each for SD and MCIS respectively, a paltry 500,000 is a flop. Gish sold more than that.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:07 AM   #364
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It was a flop by SP's standards at that point in time, both critically & commercially

Numbers don't always tell the full story, Cathy-baby

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:07 AM   #365
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You're still on about it? I mean, for a band that sold 4 million each for SD and MCIS respectively, a paltry 500,000 is a flop. Gish sold more than that.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:12 AM   #366
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Gold isn’t a flop by anyone’s standards. In any context. He said Machina was a flop. Gold is always going to be seen as some sort of success.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:18 AM   #367
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See if I outright said to him “what the fuck is wrong with you?” He would get offended

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:18 AM   #368
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If only you were working at Virgin in 2000, we mighta got an official Machina 2

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 01:41 AM   #369
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Old 09-04-2018, 04:13 AM   #370
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So, it was a poor tracklisting choice.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 04:32 AM   #371
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You think cus orgys vapor transmission went gold and candyass went platinum orgy are considered one album wonders and VT is a failure or a flop? That’s not how it works. It’s a lesser success but it’s still a success. There are just different levels of success. It’s almost like black and white thinking with no grey.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:15 AM   #372
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MCIS sold more than 4 million - wasn't it more like 10 million, worldwide?

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:35 AM   #373
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You think cus orgys vapor transmission went gold and candyass went platinum orgy are considered one album wonders and VT is a failure or a flop? That’s not how it works. It’s a lesser success but it’s still a success. There are just different levels of success. It’s almost like black and white thinking with no grey.
no one agrees with you, Catherine Wheel, it must be so hard to accept that

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:36 AM   #374
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if you want to talk, I'm right here

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:52 AM   #375
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MCIS sold more than 4 million - wasn't it more like 10 million, worldwide?
they count each album twice because it's a double.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 06:49 AM   #376
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According to Wiki:

Australia (ARIA) 280,000+ 4x Platinum[68]
Belgium (BEA) 50,000+ Platinum[70]
Canada (CRIA) 1,000,000+ Diamond[71]
Denmark (IFPI) 50,000+ Platinum[72]
France (SNEP) 300,000+ Platinum[73]
Germany (IFPI) 250,000+ Gold[74]
Ireland (IRMA) 30,000+ 2x Platinum[75]
Italy (FIMI) 50,000+ Gold[76]
Netherlands (NVPI) 50,000+ Gold[77]
New Zealand (RMNZ) 15,000+ Platinum[78]
Norway (IFPI Norway) 25,000+ Gold[79]
Portugal (AFP) 80,000+ 2x Platinum[80]
Spain (PROMUSICAE) 50,000+ Gold[81]
Sweden (GLF) 50,000+ Gold[82]
United Kingdom (BPI) 300,000+ Platinum[83]
United States (RIAA) 5,000,000+ Diamond[84]

That's 7.5 million right there. Might be more.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 07:57 AM   #377
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How is it a flop if it went gold? And gave them 2 hit songs. And in the uk went silver and gave them one hit song. Are you actually hearing what you are saying? How does that make sense at all? Outside of bizarro world
Fuck sake even Billy views it as a flop. But you keep telling yourself it was a smash hit if it makes you feel better. I don’t want to stand in the way of your happiness.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:08 PM   #378
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HE

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Old 09-04-2018, 12:19 PM   #379
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Nah dawg he's just on a different plane

a different thought school

a different wheel house

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:24 PM   #380
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a mill?

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:29 PM   #381
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If that's what you want to call it, knock yourself out

just don't call Makina a flop!

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 01:43 PM   #382
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OH FUUUUUQ

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 03:44 PM   #383
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Yes, away with you, unworthy one! The Great WPC only suffers mortals who post pictures of physically battered female bass players on social media for a laugh, not lowly members of the proletariat like you who ask such simple questions about track listings!

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:21 PM   #384
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Wild Bill is better than ever in these Instagram stories. He's weeding out the morons. Haters gonna hate.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:35 PM   #385
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Every time I read anything he says, more truth is spoke to the thought that my enjoyment of this act is and was symptomatic of some personal issues I have not addressed. I am being willingly gaslighted by a petty manchild. A terrible role model.

Really should have processed emotions through things other than music as a kid.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:36 PM   #386
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Billy is going full asshole recently. Kinda amusing.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:38 PM   #387
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Every time I read anything he says, more truth is spoke to the thought that my enjoyment of this act is and was symptomatic of some personal issues I have not addressed. I am being willingly gaslighted by a petty manchild. A terrible role model.

Really should have processed emotions through things other than music as a kid.
don't beat yourself up, just accept it for what it is.

nice job on the self-awareness

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 07:24 PM   #388
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Fuck yeah gonna use this

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 09:34 PM   #389
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Ok, so Billy pretty much has turned into that what is the fundamental core of netphoria. its ironic, because if he gave us a chance, he would do great here. hell, he 's pretty much netphorian in his IG replies... all he has to do is reply with a goatse guy and bam, he's in the club.

 
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Old 09-04-2018, 09:37 PM   #390
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you could say that he fits the bill

 
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