Trent Reznor: Billy Sucks

[million_watts]

Originally Posted by redbull

this is not difficult logic.

SP has a fanatical fanbase and haven't toured in seven years=lots of tickets sold.

NIN plays europe and then plays europe 18 months later. obviously, they sell less tickets because they just fucking toured.

point remains, they have one more tour in those seven years than the pumpkins. inbetween fragile and with teeth almost six years passed and the outcome was nowhere close around here. it drastically went downhill ever since then. and "less tickets" is one thing, an half empty hall is another.... i'm not even hating on them, i bought a ticket myself on every damn tour, just saying how it is...

[Caine Walker]

a half empty hall? NIN sold that badly? i find that pretty hard to believe.

[redbull]

How many times they toured within that time period is irrelevant, the point is that NIN had just toured, whereas SP hadn't in forever.

[million_watts]

Originally Posted by Caine Walker

a half empty hall? NIN sold that badly? i find that pretty hard to believe.

so did i

[skipgo]

Originally Posted by Caine Walker

seriously. he looks like he's be almost painfully awkward.

absolutely. he seems almost asexual to me. On the other hand, I'm strangely attracted to him, so go figure.

[million_watts]

Originally Posted by redbull

How many times they toured within that time period is irrelevant, the point is that NIN had just toured, whereas SP hadn't in forever.

according to you with teeth tour should have been massive, the break was almost as long

[mayday]

This is one of the first things I can say I agree with Courtney Love about... I wouldn't sleep with T.R if he were the last dude on Earth

[redbull]

Originally Posted by million_watts

according to you with teeth tour should have been massive, the break was almost as long

and SP should be playing 10,000 seat arenas.

[trev]

Originally Posted by commando

Hmmm. He's still mad that Eye was the only reason people bought the Lost Highway Soundtrack?

perfect drug is worlds better than eye, even biased billy lovers should admit this.

and to get on topic, i think NME took trent way out of context with the statements in the article.

"I was never a big Smashing Pumpkins fan back when they were the Pumpkins, not to shit on Billy (Corgan) or anything but I don't hear anything that would make me want to care."
"I think trying to resurrect the name Smashing Pumpkins .........its all a bit corporate for me."

i'm guessing the question would have been something like "you've mentioned in the past about liking billy corgan and his music. what do you think of the new SP?"

and his response was probably saying
a) (about old SP) that he wasn't a BIG fan, and
b) (about new SP) "not to shit on billy (because of their history and presumably friendship) but i don't hear anything of the new SP that would make me want to care"

lots of old fans would agree with the "b)" part , and i think lots of people here agree with his last statement (about resurrecting the name SP) regardless.

but yes, NIN are awesome, trent is very talented and year zero was pretty good, not mind blowing, but not crap at all. zero sum is fucking beautiful, reminiscent of right where it belongs from with teeth, or even hurt.

i adore adore -
the downward spiral is like their SD, the common fan favourite.
the fragile is like their mellon collie, more rock / guitary / heavier than most of their work, but has a lot of diversity over 2 CD's. the fragile was my "entry point" to NIN.
my favourite is with teeth, i think it's the perfect mix of all of their styles in one.

and whoever said their live show is like listening to a CD, try it out first. i saw them 3 times in 3 nights a few months ago on their AUS tour, and the setlists were mixed around, hell they even played some of the same songs differently on different nights. they are being more artistic than the new pumpkins, i think any non biased music lover would agree.

billy could and should've learnt a lot from trent. particularly how to mix a studio recording, and maybe how to ignore courtney love as well.

[skipgo]

This is one of the first things I can say I agree with Courtney Love about... I wouldn't sleep with T.R if he were the last dude on Earth

ooh, i think TR's pretty hot. i wouldn't kick him out of bed, knowhatimean?

[mayday]

Uh not really he looks like he never takes a shower and can use some good listerine, ya know what I mean?

[Rider]

Originally Posted by million_watts

point remains, they have one more tour in those seven years than the pumpkins. inbetween fragile and with teeth almost six years passed and the outcome was nowhere close around here. it drastically went downhill ever since then. and "less tickets" is one thing, an half empty hall is another.... i'm not even hating on them, i bought a ticket myself on every damn tour, just saying how it is...

And again how well did TFE?, Lets face it 2 years from now SP2 will be doing shit sales also.

[million_watts]

Originally Posted by redbull

and SP should be playing 10,000 seat arenas.

you seriously doubt they wouldn't have sold at least close to that if 3000 tickets sell in a matter of seconds for every single show?? you're trying to corner me for no reason, i'm not hating on NIN at all. i'll be there yet again the next time they tour. not all too many others will be the way it looks right now. once again, only speaking for germany...

[skipgo]

Originally Posted by trev

billy could and should've learnt a lot from trent. particularly how to mix a studio recording, and maybe how to ignore courtney love as well.

good points, both.

actually, good post overall.

[million_watts]

Originally Posted by Rider

And again how well did TFE?, Lets face it 2 years from now SP2 will be doing shit sales also.

you cant compare that. NIN draw a couple hundred people right now right here. how many do you think would show up for some non-existent side project of trent?

[skipgo]

Originally Posted by mayday

Uh not really he looks like he never takes a shower and can use some good listerine, ya know what I mean?

to each his (or her) own

http://www.audiohead.net/interviews/...ieiieiieil.jpg

looks good to me.

[redchandelier]

Originally Posted by mayday

This is one of the first things I can say I agree with Courtney Love about... I wouldn't sleep with T.R if he were the last dude on Earth

I know billy is sort of ummm... awkward, but I've always thought that he'd be a "great fuck", because.....well, it really doesn't matter why I think that......, but I still think he'd be a good fuck.

[Caine Walker]

Originally Posted by trev

perfect drug is worlds better than eye, even biased billy lovers should admit this.



my favourite is with teeth, i think it's the perfect mix of all of their styles in one.



billy could and should've learnt a lot from trent. particularly how to mix a studio recording, and maybe how to ignore courtney love as well.

i will never, ever agree that Perfect Drug is better than Eye. that's like, your opinion, man.

with teeth sounds the most forced of all their albums. i mean, it's ok. but year zero was way more thought out and executed with a lot more finesse.

yes and YES.

[redbull]

Originally Posted by million_watts

you seriously doubt they wouldn't have sold at least close to that if 3000 tickets sell in a matter of seconds for every single show?? you're trying to corner me for no reason, i'm not hating on NIN at all. i'll be there yet again the next time they tour. not all too many others will be the way it looks right now. once again, only speaking for germany...

i'm not trying to corner you, you just don't seem to understand the concept of market saturation

[Caine Walker]

oh, you were talking about germany? that doesn't surprise me as much then. NIN would sell the fuck out in the US, no problem.

[million_watts]

ok, you've convinced me: if trent would put out a solo album it would go massive although his main act, which happens to be one of the biggest names of the last decade, sells shockingly poor right now.

[skipgo]

Originally Posted by redchandelier

I know billy is sort of ummm... awkward, but I've always thought that he'd be a "great fuck", because.....well, it really doesn't matter why I think that......, but I still think he'd be a good fuck.

i'd be willing to give it the old college try

[wHATcOLOR]

i don't really have any issues with the quote. there's only really 2 nin songs i really cared about, and i don't think i've ever been more depressed than i was during that time. ToEachesOwn, as i like to say

[million_watts]

Originally Posted by Caine Walker

oh, you were talking about germany? that doesn't surprise me as much then. NIN would sell the fuck out in the US, no problem.

well, we're talking about the third biggest music market in the world....

[mayday]

Ok some of his music is good but the lyrics are horrid and he looks showered in that pic but he still doesn't do it for me, like you said to each his own

[mayday]

Originally Posted by skipgo

i'd be willing to give it the old college try

Skip your married though!

[redchandelier]

Originally Posted by skipgo

i'd be willing to give it the old college try

I wouldn't mind either

[skipgo]

at least we won't have to fight over mr. three inch nails.

i like how the girls are having this discussion about who's more fuckable, and the guys are having serious discussion about the music.

[wHATcOLOR]

whores

[Rider]

Originally Posted by mayday

Ok some of his music is good but the lyrics are horrid and he looks showered in that pic but he still doesn't do it for me, like you said to each his own

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