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Old 08-07-2007, 10:47 PM   #151
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:57 PM   #152
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Are you serious? I'm the idiot, when you suggested committing hate crime on gays in Ohio?

I guess I lose, oh Master of the Hate Crime. How DARE I compare suggested violence toward minorities to the policies of Hitler. WHAT WAS I THINKING?!
you're realllllly not grasping anything that's going on around you.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:01 PM   #153
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:02 PM   #154
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How could I be so stupid not to understand the content-infused, intelligent, and overall brilliant nature of your "let's beat up Ohio gays" dialog with ravenguy2000.

Wow, I need to get trained in the language of .
no, really. trust me.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:05 PM   #155
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:05 PM   #156
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But, skipgo, didn't you miss this shit when mccririck, Dogfighter28, and pale_princess left the board? The hate in hatephoria is back!
i actually like all three of those posters, surprisingly. yep, even dogfighter. (i know, i've just lost more points with neopryn (and everyone else) there. LOTS of them)

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:07 PM   #157
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you're realllllly not grasping anything that's going on around you.
i do now; it's really pretty funny after all.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:10 PM   #158
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:13 PM   #159
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The following is taken and altered from another thread, so no need to point that out in a fit of rage:

"Emo" is a term that originally referred to a genre of extremely emotive, confessional music in the vein of acts like Bring Eyes (though some still consider Weezer to be the original "emo" band). Today, it is a derogatory term used in application to any music or musician in general who's lyrics are overly self-indulgent and tend to focus most specifically on anger, sadness, and supposed indifference.

Now let's be clear: there is a distinct difference between using emotive lyrics or having a confessional song (i.e. your mother died and you're writing a tribute to her) on the one hand, and being "emo" ("my birthday parties were empty," or "why doesn't anybody like me?") on the other.

Some artists have some songs that are distinctly personal, but their complete repertoire isn't supersaturated with every little cheesy thought that runs through the lyricist's mind.

This, i.e. being "emo," is something one could accuse Billy of doing in many of his songs.

Though Billy Corgan has on occasion struck lyrical gold, I contend that most of his lyrics are childish and sometimes even stupid. Many of the things he says don't make any sense at all other than to express that he's sad or angry ("clouds in my shower, ghosts in my arms," "coil my tongue round a bumble bee mouth").

I mean, who doesn't want to smack him and yell, "Shut the fuck up and stop whining!" every once in a while? When I was 13, I was totally into it. Now that I'm more emotionally mature, some of the lyrics make me cringe. Many SP fans still feel the same way, especially about songs like "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and "To Forgive," which sounds like the shallow musings of a loser 13-yr-old. This is in stark contrast to the brilliance of "1979," which really did a fantastic job of tackling the subject of being a "freak" in the generation that was born around the year 1979.

I'm not trying to say Billy Corgan or the Smashing Pumpkins are bad musicians. I believe quite the contrary. My point is that the word "emo," even as a derogatory slur, can be VERY accurately applied to a great deal of SP lyrics.

I understand the aversion to the word, however, because it often makes me think of Bright Eyes bitching about this or that, and I really am not trying to shit all over the Pumpkins. Then again, Bright Eyes' lyrics sometimes aren't all that different from SP's. Some times Billy is even whinier than these douche bag counterparts.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:13 PM   #160
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I know they weren't serious about hate crimes. I just think it's a lame joke. In any event, my thread is about to reach page 7 (of crappy, off-subject dialog).
oh yeah you're all over it now

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:16 PM   #162
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i actually like all three of those posters, surprisingly. yep, even dogfighter. (i know, i've just lost more points with neopryn (and everyone else) there. LOTS of them)
this puts a dent in your "old-school posters circle-jerk conspiracy theory" because pale_princess has been here even longer than i have.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:18 PM   #163
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I don't like any of this websites posters. But threads like this keep me interested.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:19 PM   #164
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I know they weren't serious about hate crimes. I just think it's a lame joke. In any event, my thread is about to reach page 7 (of crappy, off-subject dialog).
well. it's funnier than you might think. (not hate crimes, those are generally not funny unless you're in the kkk or something.)

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:20 PM   #165
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this puts a dent in your "old-school posters circle-jerk conspiracy theory" because pale_princess has been here even longer than i have.
i never insinuated that all the older posters are jerks. Just a select few.

edit: oh yeah, i forgot about that circle jerk comment i made. anyway, same thing applies; there are just a few of you i was referring to.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:22 PM   #166
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Sort of like I'd be all over you, sexy. Mmmmmm...
you're really, really not my type

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:22 PM   #167
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Skipgo, this whole website=jackasses





End of discussion.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:25 PM   #168
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Skipgo, this whole website=jackasses





End of discussion.
i kind of wish i believed that, then i would just leave.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:25 PM   #169
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:26 PM   #170
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No, you have to look pass the dumbasses and see into the beauty that is the comical threads that litter Netphoria.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:26 PM   #171
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:28 PM   #172
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If you have 500 posts within the span of a month=n00b

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:29 PM   #173
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no but for real guys i'll never take anyone seriously who has less than 10,000 posts no matter what they have to say

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:30 PM   #174
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10,000+ posts=Good
below 10,000 posts=n00b

I'm the ultimate noob btw.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:31 PM   #175
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:33 PM   #176
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My candy cane is sexier.

 
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:34 PM   #177
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:35 PM   #178
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:52 PM   #179
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:19 AM   #180
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yes, they are as of now. i really think billy has lost his footing... SP lyrics were always obtuse, but they were balanced with really reflective, grounded lyrics (when i woke up from that dream/i was happier than i'd ever been; run away with me tomorrow; the city by the lake/the place where you were born; nobody nowhere understand anything about me/and all my dreams lost at sea). These countered epic theatrics like thru the eyes of ruby, all of adore, and even 33. withough these beautiful, simple lyrics, as billy is now, he has sort of crossed the line to just emo. he needs to reel it in almost half the time, and everything will seem amazing again (zeitgeist could have been a track to do this, but the basic chord strumming is just way too basic to be a top SP track).

 
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