New BC Interview with DiS: "Show me in this culture where I've ever been celebrated"

[The exploding boy]

As for the content of the post, what slunken said.

[Elphenor]

If a song doesn't have guitars it must be dumb

Kids are so dumb not listening to Slash

[LaBelle]

Well, I guess what Billy has been trying to tell us this whole time is that he never was an innovator.
He just rode the coattails of whatever was popular at the time, and we should all just stop paying attention to his reactionary old man opinions.

That's all I'm getting from all his crazy-ass interviews

[chuckhagel]

Billy is crazy old, sad fuck.

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by dodoz

Back in the day, he was mad when bands ripped him off, ie : when he sued Collective Soul for "Shine", when there are actually a dozen bands that sounded a lot more like the Pumpkins (this one never gets old for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q0DOWZRksI).

wow, i knew he'd sued for something but that? that's ridiculous - hardly similar to "snail" much less lawsuit-worthy - it's soft then loud & has an a chord?

the nudeswirl thing is hilariously similarly though, i guess he just didn't hear it

[dodoz]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

wow, i knew he'd sued for something but that? that's ridiculous - hardly similar to "snail" much less lawsuit-worthy - it's soft then loud & has an a chord?

Listen to the "Shine" tease at the end of this, and what Billy had to say.

https://ia601408.us.archive.org/12/i...4-08-02t07.mp3

I also read it was "Drown".The funny thing is that when I hear the main riff and the chord progression of "Shine", IF ANYTHING, it reminds me of "Rhinoceros", not "Snail" or "Drown", at all.

[Mals Marola]

yeah that's weird, might as well go after all of early-90s alt rock if yer gonna do that

did pearl jam even sue the nixons for that blatant black rip-off or whatever

[LaBelle]

Pearl Jam legal would go insane if they went after everyone who tries to sing like Eddie Vedder.

[dodoz]

Bush would have been sued by 3 different bands at least. That would have been fun.
All kidding aside, you can't sue because of a similarity in sound.

[FoolofaTook]

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

I'll tell you this as also a non native speaker who had to learn this the embarrassing way many many years ago, only yokels say ain't. At best you can use it for comedic effect.

actually lots of lower class urbanites i have met in the usa used ain't

[Mals Marola]

billo's dismissal of the whole online community thing prob explains this comment a bit

i wonder if he's even aware just how many people were & are willing to check out home demos & shitty recordings of live performances just because they've played the albums & b-sides out so much

or you know, the in-depth analyses of even something like machina that was a "commercial clunker"

the way people see him over here is probably more or less what he is going for
he's important personally, for people who needed those songs, but i mean, "culturally" or whatever? it really wasn't about that, & i don't think anyone really gives a shit

[Mals Marola]

i feel like he's kinda like fuzz-roro in his probable dismissal of things that people may or may not tell him in a positive light re: these kinda gripes though

like a million people could tell him their favorite smashing pumpkins song was a non-single & he would still give the speech about "nobody wants the non-peak material" what the fuuuuck

[Bobbyrain]

All those excuses... Its like he thinks everything he has made post 2006 is as good as the old records. Just bad luck and circumstances that its not a success... Can it be so hard to understand that it doesn't matter what type of record or audience hes aiming for. Just make a good record and it will sell! Heavy metal, disco, jazz, who cares.

[bye june]

Originally Posted by Grox

Whats that interview from 2000 where a fan asks Billco what he thinks about indie bands of the time like Modest Mouse and Yo La Tengo, re: his whole "ROCK IS DEAD. DEAD. 100% FATALITY." and he doesn't really have an answer. His references to "hot rock band of the moment" are so weird. He always talks about Muse for some reason

It's from Billy/acoustic Live on 99X 2-17-2000.

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

actually lots of lower class urbanites i have met in the usa used ain't

yeah i didn't use the right word really.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by croPUMPKINS

What did Stones, Metallica, Peppers, U2, Aerosmith do last 15 years? NOTHING! Yet they do gt respect.

You mean besides putting on the most successful tours in history? Well except for the Peppers and who the hell gives the Peppers any respect?

[houseofglass11]

Originally Posted by dodoz

Bush would have been sued by 3 different bands at least. That would have been fun.

No more than SP could have been sued on Gish for sounding like Jane's Addiction, Guns N' Roses, and the Cult.

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by Bobbyrain

Just make a good record and it will sell! Heavy metal, disco, jazz, who cares.

to be honest, it wouldn't.

[myosis]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

wow, i knew he'd sued for something but that? that's ridiculous - hardly similar to "snail" much less lawsuit-worthy - it's soft then loud & has an a chord?

uh well it is recognizable, even though it's not the main riff of the song. i know because i heard collective soul before i got gish, and i every time i heard that part of snail i immediately thought of shine.

it's the intro and it's clear at 0:43 here when they play it fast.

[morespsoon]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

No more than SP could have been sued on Gish for sounding like Jane's Addiction, Guns N' Roses, and the Cult.

Which song(s) do you think sound like Guns N' Roses?

[juliana]

Originally Posted by Poots

Fucking Slash's Snakepit would conquer the world if the fucking kids would stop texting.

Slash isn't real, parents just dress up as him to entertain their kids.

[LaBelle]

"Show me in this culture where I touched you!"

- Billy Corgan

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by myosis

uh well it is recognizable, even though it's not the main riff of the song. i know because i heard collective soul before i got gish, and i every time i heard that part of snail i immediately thought of shine.

it's the intro and it's clear at 0:43 here when they play it fast.

Billy ended up losing the case. The Collective Soul front man presented a demo of the song that predated Snail. The similarities were really just a coincidence.

[slunken]

Now what

[Ram27]

Why didn't they try to sue Corgan then?

[The exploding boy]

Collective Soul should have been collectively sued by everyone for being terrible. Crime to the ears. Of course...Creed was yet to come then. If we'd only known...

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by Ram27

Why didn't they try to sue Corgan then?

I think they did end up counter suing, I think they ended up settling out of court.

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by morespsoon

Which song(s) do you think sound like Guns N' Roses?

Gotta bump this. I'd like to hear the answer to this one as well.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Poots

"Look, Slash ate the cookies we left out for him... is that semen?"

protip: "is that vodka' would have been funnier

[slunken]

why would he leave semen and how could a child identify it