Rolling Psychology chat, serious and thoughful contributions

[Starla]

Any thoughts on Freud's psychosexual stages of development? Do you feel that they apply to you personally in some way?


0-2 Oral Mouth: sucking, biting, swallowing Weaning away from mother's breast

2-4 Anal Anus: defecating or retaining faeces Toilet training

4-5 Phallic Genitals Oedipus (boys), Electra (girls)

6 to puberty Latency Sexual urges sublimated into sports and hobbies. Same-sex friends also help avoid sexual feelings.

puberty onward Genital Physical sexual changes reawaken repressed needs.

Direct sexual feelings towards others lead to sexual gratification - social rules

Example:


Oral fixation

Oral fixation has two possible outcomes.

The Oral receptive personality is preoccupied with eating/drinking and reduces tension through oral activity such as eating, drinking, smoking, biting nails. They are generally passive, needy and sensitive to rejection. They will easily 'swallow' other people's ideas.
The Oral aggressive personality is hostile and verbally abusive to others, using mouth-based aggression.

Anal fixation

Anal fixation, which may be caused by too much punishment during toilet training, has two possible outcomes.

The Anal retentive personality is stingy, with a compulsive seeking of order and tidiness. The person is generally stubborn and perfectionist.
The Anal expulsive personality is an opposite of the Anal retentive personality, and has a lack of self control, being generally messy and careless

[yo soy el mejor]

girl, you're crazy.

[Luke de Spa]

ain't no science

[reprise85]

I think there's a lot to say for the actual stages, but the reasoning that he uses doesn't hold up much. I like Erikson's stages much better - they seem to be more accurate and thorough and focus on the outcomes of nuturance vs apathy and/or abuse and not on sex/gender and "complexes".

Infancy (birth to 18 months) - Trust vs. Mistrust
Children develop a sense of trust when caregivers provide reliabilty, care, and affection. A lack of this will lead to mistrust.

Early Childhood (2 to 3 years) - Autonomy vs. Shame and Doubt
Children need to develop a sense of personal control over physical skills and a sense of independence. Success leads to feelings of autonomy, failure results in feelings of shame and doubt.

Preschool (3 to 5 years) - Initiative vs. Guilt
Children need to begin asserting control and power over the environment. Success in this stage leads to a sense of purpose. Children who try to exert too much power experience disapproval, resulting in a sense of guilt.

School Age (6 to 11 years) - Industry vs. Inferiority
Children need to cope with new social and academic demands. Success leads to a sense of competence, while failure results in feelings of inferiority.

Adolescence (12 to 18 years) - Identity vs. Role Confusion Social Relationships Teens need to develop a sense of self and personal identity. Success leads to an ability to stay true to yourself, while failure leads to role confusion and a weak sense of self.

Yound Adulthood (19 to 40 years) - Intimacy vs. Isolation
Young adults need to form intimate, loving relationships with other people. Success leads to strong relationships, while failure results in loneliness and isolation.

Middle Adulthood (40 to 65 years) - Generativity vs. Stagnation
Adults need to create or nurture things that will outlast them, often by having children or creating a positive change that benefits other people. Success leads to feelings of usefulness and accomplishment, while failure results in shallow involvement in the world.

Maturity (65 to death) - Ego Integrity vs. Despair
Older adults need to look back on life and feel a sense of fulfillment. Success at this stage leads to feelings of wisdom, while failure results in regret, bitterness, and despair.

I can see how these stages apply to my life as I learn to trust and become more autonomous and less guilty. And I can see how my adolescent years were extremely fucked up and lead to a ton of identity confusion and how as I develop my own sense of self I'll be able to engage in relationships that were impossible while I was/am still going through all the childhood and adolescent phases.

What do you think of all this Starla (and anyone else)?

[reprise85]

I had a dream the other night that I was suffocating, probably because I was wheezing with my asthma - I knew I was dreaming but thought I was dying. I remember my thought processing being like "so this is how it ends..." and feeling OK with that, some kind of brain mechanism that stopped me from being scared much. This might be out there and not what death is like at all but I can imagine a sense of peace in the knowledge that things are ending after fighting it a bit and realizing it's inevitable in that moment. It was interesting in any case.

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by reprise85

What do you think of all this Starla (and anyone else)?

none of this is falsifiable

it's like horoscopes for age bands

[Luke de Spa]

DURR vs DURRR

shit what if there's a third DURRRRR

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

none of this is falsifiable

it's like horoscopes for age bands

of course it's all theory, but many people see its usefulness. it's not like fucking horoscopes. get over yourself. no one is saying it's hard science.

i mean should we not try to understand the maturation process? it's impossible to completely explain by just brain imaging and measurement of neurotransmitter volumes and etc

[Luke de Spa]

many people see astrology's usefulness. it's all theory. get over myself? what?

[Shallowed]

Theories are hard science though, like the theory of gravity.

[Shallowed]

Don't mind me I'll just leave you guys to do your psychology in peace.

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by Starla

The Oral receptive personality is preoccupied with eating/drinking and reduces tension through oral activity such as eating, drinking, smoking, biting nails. They are generally passive, needy and sensitive to rejection. They will easily 'swallow' other people's ideas.

The Oral aggressive personality is hostile and verbally abusive to others, using mouth-based aggression.


The Anal retentive personality is stingy, with a compulsive seeking of order and tidiness. The person is generally stubborn and perfectionist.

The Anal expulsive personality is an opposite of the Anal retentive personality, and has a lack of self control, being generally messy and careless

i exhibit/have exhibited all of these traits at different times depending on the circumstance. this is so dumb!

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

none of this is falsifiable

it's like horoscopes for age bands

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

DURR vs DURRR

shit what if there's a third DURRRRR

pretty much.

[dean_r_koontz]

maybe i've got borderline personality disorder just like a woman?

[slunken]

more than a woman

[reprise85]

BPD isn't just diagnosed in women

[yo soy el mejor]

verrry interesting. *nods head*

[reprise85]

i dunno luke, it's the study of the mind based on behavior. if you don't see the value in that then you don't.

do you not think these things are important? perception, emotions, personality, cognition, etc? how would you suppose we instead study these things?

do you think philosophy has the same problems or do you respect it?

[john's ego]

psychoanalysis is bullshit and is widely regarded as such by anybody who knows anything.

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by reprise85

What do you think of all this Starla (and anyone else)?

i think if this is supposed to be applicable to people of all parts of the globe, it is totally racist.

[reprise85]

del cleared up next post

[reprise85]

they are not all created equal and I'd only attach "pure" freudian concepts to psychoanalysis.

[Netphorian Gadabout]

"Serious and thoughful contributions?" On Netphoria? That's insane.

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by reprise85

i dunno luke, it's the study of the mind based on behavior. if you don't see the value in that then you don't.

do you not think these things are important? perception, emotions, personality, cognition, etc? how would you suppose we instead study these things?

do you think philosophy has the same problems or do you respect it?

i see plenty of value in the study of the mind, just not via unscientific methods. splitting lifespan up into arbitrary discrete units based on invented dichotomies (like 40-65: generativity vs. stagnation) is appealing, pithy and easy to understand… but probably bullshit.

why? basically, as a species we're pretty bad at thinking. check out this list of cognitive biases – look how long it is! the only consistently successful tool for discovery we have is science, and even its findings – being as they are generated and shared by humans – should be approached with a healthy serving of skepticism. everything else we might as well just ignore, or treat as a guide for what to study next.

to that end, yes, the same applies to philosophy that makes empirical claims (e.g., much philosophy of mind, ontology).

[Trotskilicious]

I'm a Romantic, go to hell.

[Luke de Spa]

go and be whatever you like with my blessing, t-lish

[Trotskilicious]

The go to hell was facetious

[Starla]

Originally Posted by reprise85

I think there's a lot to say for the actual stages, but the reasoning that he uses doesn't hold up much. I like Erikson's stages much better - they seem to be more accurate and thorough and focus on the outcomes of nuturance vs apathy and/or abuse and not on sex/gender and "complexes".

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I can see how these stages apply to my life as I learn to trust and become more autonomous and less guilty. And I can see how my adolescent years were extremely fucked up and lead to a ton of identity confusion and how as I develop my own sense of self I'll be able to engage in relationships that were impossible while I was/am still going through all the childhood and adolescent phases.

What do you think of all this Starla (and anyone else)?

I like Erikson too, I think that he has more of a grasp on the stages of development more than anyone else next to Jung. I also like his idea about the ego..... super ego vs id. It's basically our consciousness we are communicating with, or our higher self. No other psychologist wants to really admit we have that innate ability. You should check out Karen Horney. You may like her.

http://allpsych.com/personalitysynopsis/horney.html

[Starla]

Originally Posted by reprise85

I had a dream the other night that I was suffocating, probably because I was wheezing with my asthma - I knew I was dreaming but thought I was dying. I remember my thought processing being like "so this is how it ends..." and feeling OK with that, some kind of brain mechanism that stopped me from being scared much. This might be out there and not what death is like at all but I can imagine a sense of peace in the knowledge that things are ending after fighting it a bit and realizing it's inevitable in that moment. It was interesting in any case.

I have a lot of dreams where I'm dying. I truly fear death right now. Most of my dreams I'm dying in a car accident.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by dean_r_koontz

maybe i've got borderline personality disorder just like a woman?

This is a really good site on bpd

http://www.sharischreiber.com/articles.html