Do people like Lenny Kravitz and Oasis because of nostalgia?

[The exploding boy]

Dream pop is pretty much not a very defined genre and when I see you mention cranberries as being dream pop, it proves it. I swear I see this tag put on bands I never thought of qualifying as dream pop all the time.

[Catherine Wheel]

And it's the same with shoegaze. Sure it was around before 90s but it became very successful and popular in the early 90s.

[I'm Hardcore]

pointless discussion

[The exploding boy]

sure but then why would this forum exist?

[Shallowed]

why does life exist?

[vixnix]

Mama Said is a pretty solid album. Cheesey and lacking in genuine emotional depth but lots of catchy riffs and lyrics. I loved that album as an 18/19 year old, drinking my Stella Artois and smoking my Marlboro lights in little ol Wellington, NZ

[vixnix]

Definitely maybe and what's the story morning glory are pretty solid too, even if not to people's tastes.

It wasn't just nostalgia - if anything they just didn't get caught up in the indie movement where everything had to be rough or dissonant sounding lest it be called "mainstream"

[vixnix]

Oh man I just remembered that my boyfriend at the time introduced me to Mama Said because he played More than Anything in this World to me when we first started dating. Nostalgia pains. What a couple of beautiful and tragic teenagers we were.

[vixnix]

My husband just came in and found me listening to lenny kravitz and burst out laughing. Then he joked he was going to make a status update about finding his wife watching a lenny kravitz show. My whole life is just such a joke.

[reprise85]

i like whats the story morning glory. i still play it maybe 1-2 times a year.

[The Omega Concern]

Kravits would be nostalgic to me but not Oasis. They have a strong sense of structure I somehow find underrated in their material when I hear it now. I liked 'em and all back in the day but they buggered off kinda quick and they were so many other bands at the time. But now I think their stuff holds up much better than most.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by vixnix

Definitely maybe and what's the story morning glory are pretty solid too, even if not to people's tastes.

It wasn't just nostalgia - if anything they just didn't get caught up in the indie movement where everything had to be rough or dissonant sounding lest it be called "mainstream"

i'm not sure anything in the 90s could have been more mainstream in the UK than oasis

[Trotskilicious]

i was looking at some lenny kravitz and seriously it sounds like a jimi hendrix cover band that decided to do "original" songs that sound like watered down hendrix songs...

but three cheers for lenny's drummer in a box, i always thought she was rad

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

The 90s: responsible for shoegaze, trip hop, downtempo, jazz rap, third wave ska

It was a great decade for music.

you mention a bunch of niche genres like "jazz rap" (which, what, entirely consists of a tribe called quest and black star?) instead of THE ENTIRE GENRE TOOK FLIGHT IN THE 90S, JESUS CHRIST. WU-TANG FOREVER. NASTY NAS. JAY FUCKING Z. BIGGIE. TUPAC.

OUT FUCKING KAST

god damn you CW with your fucking genres "downtempo" what the fuck are you talking about

[Trotskilicious]

and yeah saying shoegaze is 90s is basically not understanding that the scene came to a complete halt somewhere around 91 or 92, that these bands had gotten started in the late 80s and it's like saying the pixies were a 90s band.

also, i'd like to mention what i consider to be the protogaze band is the SMITHS and HOW SOON IS GODDAMN NOW was early to mid 80s. pretty sure How Soon is Now practically invented shoegaze

JOHNNY MARR IS GOD FUCK CLAPTON

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i'm not sure anything in the 90s could have been more mainstream in the UK than oasis

Yep what's your point

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno din****** what was yours about "dissonant" being "outside of the mainstream"

because that was stupid fucking point about the 90s in rock music

[Trotskilicious]

yeah because you know nirvana was like

not mainstream

because they got "caught up in the indie movement where everything had to be rough or dissonant sounding"

[Trotskilicious]

like seriously you're so fucking clueless it drives me fucking insane, is this just deliberate trolling or are you really this opinionated and unknowledgable

i mean do you enjoy saying patently false blanket statements and having them refuted, does that tickle your jimmies?

[I'm Hardcore]

vixnix you are dense

[I'm Hardcore]

following CW's logic, i guess emo is a 2000's movement because that's when it became popular

[Trotskilicious]

sorry i have some rage issues

[I'm Hardcore]

don't apologise on behalf of vixnix's terrible boarding

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by vixnix

Definitely maybe and what's the story morning glory are pretty solid too, even if not to people's tastes.

It wasn't just nostalgia - if anything they just didn't get caught up in the indie movement where everything had to be rough or dissonant sounding lest it be called "mainstream"

I don't get it, are you not reading what I wrote? I never said Oasis weren't mainstream

[vixnix]

They made unapologetically melodic ballads, a lot like SD era Pumpkins, not caring if it made them sound mainstream

It's a very popular form for songwriting, so their albums enjoyed widespread popularity.

What's your point??

[vixnix]

Oh Nirvana. Well Nirvana was pop music gold - studio execs are always looking for music that is just different enough to be novel, but familiar enough that most people can easily accept it.

Actually the hair metal that preceded Nirvana was far more dissonant - Nirvana is fairly melodic. The biggest point of difference with Nirvana is that it wasn't contrived...their sentiments were real.

But there's a reason Nirvana Unplugged in New York is a freakishly accomplished and beautiful recording that say GNR & Poison haven't been able to replicate.

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

also, i'd like to mention what i consider to be the protogaze band is the SMITHS and HOW SOON IS GODDAMN NOW was early to mid 80s. pretty sure How Soon is Now practically invented shoegaze

JOHNNY MARR IS GOD FUCK CLAPTON

I don't hear it. At least if i think of the main 3 or 4 shoegaze bands. More like Cocteau Twins and Jesus and Mary chain. And a band like slowdive has more in common with The Cure or Chameleons (i honestly don't get why bands like Slowdive and MBV are in the same genre...they sound little alike).

[Catherine Wheel]

I kind of want to say 93 was the last big year for shoegaze because that year Catherine Wheel released Chrome, Slowdive released Souvlaki and Kitchens of Distinction released The Death of Cool.

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

I kind of want to say 93 was the last big year for shoegaze because that year Catherine Wheel released Chrome, Slowdive released Souvlaki and Kitchens of Distinction released The Death of Cool.

you didn't mention Bailter Space's album 'Robot World', which is better than those other 3

[The exploding boy]

Not to be anal but Death of Cool is actually 92.