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12-28-2017, 12:18 AM   #2
slunken
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You're missing the crucial point in the story where shit hits the fan with June and the band plays its final show

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 This resulting Machinas tracklist is the result of over 14 years of off and on research. I've finally gotten it to the point where I feel it's worth sharing. Based off of official documents. Act I 1. If There Is A God (full band) 2. Imploding Voice 3. Wound 4. Stand Inside Your Love 5. Real Love 6. Try, Try Try 7. Raindrops + Sunshowers 8. The Sacred and Profane 9. Vanity 10. let me give the world to you Act II 1. Glass 2. Cash Car Star 3. Heavy Metal Machine 4. Dross 5. This Time 6. Glass and the Ghost Children 7. Go 8. Speed Kills 9. In My Body 10. Saturnine Act III 1. Blue Skies Bring Tears 2. I Of The Mourning 3. Everlasting Gaze 4. White Spyder 5. Lucky 13 6. Crying Tree of Mercury 7. Home 8. Slow Dawn 9. Atom Bomb 10. With Every Light 11. Age of Innocence

12-28-2017, 12:30 AM   #3
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 Originally Posted by slunken You're missing the crucial point in the story where shit hits the fan with June and the band plays its final show
That's basically all of my second disc

 12-28-2017, 12:39 AM #4 slunken Virgo     Posts: 39,122 Where in the canon are you getting stuff like "The GATMOG album sells poorly"? Sounds like you are creating your own narratives
12-28-2017, 12:57 AM   #5
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 Originally Posted by slunken Where in the canon are you getting stuff like "The GATMOG album sells poorly"? Sounds like you are creating your own narratives
Not trying to at all. Right here:

…the new album is released and is not well received by the fans or the general public…

Corgan's narrative is plainly based off his experience with Adore, which did not live up to expectations in the sales dept.

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 12-28-2017, 01:00 AM #6 slunken Virgo     Posts: 39,122 These questions were all a test.
 12-28-2017, 01:00 AM #7 Butt Pope Apocalyptic Poster   Posts: 1,601 Toots and farts
 12-28-2017, 04:26 AM #8 Woody Apocalyptic Poster     Posts: 1,404 Act II - wow that’s a laborious listen. The reality is 50% of Machina 1&2 is just not good. Most of the heavier tracks specifically. Both versions of BSBT are trash. I recently put together what I consider the definitive one-disc Machina tracklist. It’s what Machina needed to be, to achieve any sort of commercial success - it disregards any sort of the pretentious “narrative mystery” bullshit, turning it into their second-best album outside MCIS. I’m going to post it with it’s own artwork to great fanfare when I can be bothered.
12-28-2017, 05:31 AM   #9
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 Originally Posted by Woody Act II - wow that’s a laborious listen. The reality is 50% of Machina 1&2 is just not good. Most of the heavier tracks specifically. Both versions of BSBT are trash. I recently put together what I consider the definitive one-disc Machina tracklist. It’s what Machina needed to be, to achieve any sort of commercial success - it disregards any sort of the pretentious “narrative mystery” bullshit, turning it into their second-best album outside MCIS. I’m going to post it with it’s own artwork to great fanfare when I can be bothered.
There's 3 though - sln used the version on the FAEOMM tape. That seems to be the one most people prefer, the Arising version. I tend to think Bill put the one he did onto MI because it was all trippy and dreamlike in nature.

Between the musical climate of the time, the album's overall sound and Bill's lofty aspirations to have it be a full-on rock opera, I don't think there was any real way it would have not tanked.

 12-28-2017, 04:32 AM #10 AveryLoren Ownz     Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 911 Act II would be my favorite of the three acts. I am very interested in your single disc MACHINA configuration.
 12-28-2017, 05:32 AM #11 Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster     Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 1,560 Remember when people thought HMM was the single worst crime Bill committed against music? Those were the days.
 12-28-2017, 11:27 AM #12 Candy Cane Pledge     Posts: 227 I think the lesson is that Glass is a property developer and people in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 12-28-2017, 02:42 PM #13 FoolofaTook Immortal     Posts: 25,984 I listened to MII again the other night as I was trudging thru snow around the penintentiary (shit's like a fortress: heavy). Anyways when I wasn't being distracted by mental images of Monte spasming out to Glass' Theme (spacey) I tried to separate the wheat from the chaff. Home, Vanity, Try alt and Speed Kills are top tier TSP. Slow Dawn, Real Love, Dross, BSBT, GO, and Saturnine are good. The rest are ok with a few duds.
 12-28-2017, 03:47 PM #14 T&T Minion of Satan     Location: montreal Posts: 9,843 pretty sure when billy does the reissue we'll find out the real track order.. righte guyz?
 12-28-2017, 06:20 PM #15 Shallowed Braindead     Location: A compostable condom made from 100% recycled materials Posts: 16,658 SP recorded three discs worth of material, some of it being excellent, some of it being okay, some of it being garbage, and released a single disc album which drew from all three groups.
 12-28-2017, 06:29 PM #16 FlamingGlobes Socialphobic     Posts: 10,964 I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, 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 12-28-2017, 07:14 PM #17 smashingjj mother rater     Location: Osama Bin Ladies Love Cool JJ Posts: 32,325 yeah. 1.
 12-28-2017, 07:15 PM #18 smashingjj mother rater     Location: Osama Bin Ladies Love Cool JJ Posts: 32,325 there are not enough good machina tracks to make one decent album.
12-28-2017, 08:11 PM   #19
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 Originally Posted by smashingjj there are not enough good machina tracks to make one decent album.
bullshit there's easily enough songs for a GREAT 60 mins.

01. Glass' Theme
02. Cash Car Star
03. Dross
04. The Imploding Voice
05. Stand Inside Your Love
06. Lucky 13
07. This Time
08. The Everlasting Gaze
09. I Of The Mourning
10. If There Is A God
11. Here's To The Atom Bomb
12. With Every Light
13. Age Of Innocence

honourable mentions I'd ******* but I know they're not other peoples favs:
Real Love
Let Me Give The World To You
Try, Try, Try

 12-28-2017, 08:17 PM #20 FoolofaTook Immortal     Posts: 25,984 Speed Kills and Home >>>> Soma and Mayo What now?
 12-29-2017, 12:43 AM #21 ilikeplanets Socialphobic     Location: Ignore List Posts: 13,031 del i changed my mind about almost everything i said Last edited by ilikeplanets : 12-29-2017 at 12:50 AM.
12-29-2017, 07:05 AM   #22
smashingjj
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 Originally Posted by T&T bullshit there's easily enough songs for a GREAT 60 mins. 02. Cash Car Star 04. The Imploding Voice 07. This Time 08. The Everlasting Gaze 09. I Of The Mourning 10. If There Is A God 12. With Every Light honourable mentions I'd ******* but I know they're not other peoples favs: Real Love Let Me Give The World To You Try, Try, Try

 12-28-2017, 08:17 PM #23 FoolofaTook Immortal     Posts: 25,984 Mood over melody, fools!
 12-28-2017, 09:02 PM #24 Shallowed Braindead     Location: A compostable condom made from 100% recycled materials Posts: 16,658 Those are four of my favourite SP songs
 12-28-2017, 09:18 PM #25 FoolofaTook Immortal     Posts: 25,984 But witch speed killz? Impossible to choose.
12-29-2017, 12:51 AM   #26
ilikeplanets
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 Originally Posted by FoolofaTook But witch speed killz? Impossible to choose.
i love them both but the opening minute of the rare version just GETS me there

 12-28-2017, 09:23 PM #27 Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster     Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 1,560 Single B-Side version for me all the way.
 12-28-2017, 09:27 PM #28 FoolofaTook Immortal     Posts: 25,984 I dunno. The spacey one is gorgeous but the heavy is HEAVY.
 12-28-2017, 09:34 PM #29 Shallowed Braindead     Location: A compostable condom made from 100% recycled materials Posts: 16,658 Machina II by far Has that monolithic feel
 12-28-2017, 09:57 PM #30 FoolofaTook Immortal     Posts: 25,984 Purevil feedbackrrr

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