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05-18-2007, 04:55 PM | #1 |
Demi-God
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Do Bill's lyrics suck?
Cruising around Blamo and various other places today I noticed several people who posted coments about Tarantula like: "Not bad but the lyrics suck. SP never did have good lyrics though." That's not exact but I saw something similar in two different places. Nobody contridicted these posters. I was shocked!
I mean, we all know Bill writes gay lyrics and Tarantula's lyrics are typically gay in the way that only Billy can pull off... but Sucky? I don't know how anyone could listen to a song like "Wound" and not be blown away by the way the lyrics are put together. Also, even though I've always felt that Billy's Lyrics have grown progressively more complicated and just better at the same time they've gotten gayer, I've still thought even critics recognized the inate songwriting ability he has. Even in the SD era I had always heard that Billy was pretty respected as a lyricist. It was probably just a few dumbasses but does anybody here think billy's lyrics suck? |
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05-18-2007, 04:57 PM | #2 |
Rambling on
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ugh
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05-18-2007, 04:57 PM | #3 |
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No, but you do.
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05-18-2007, 05:00 PM | #4 | |
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gay is an annoying verbal crutch little man. |
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05-18-2007, 05:05 PM | #5 | |
Demi-God
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Hi Effe'! |
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05-18-2007, 05:08 PM | #6 |
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I havn't heard too many bands where i think, those lyrics are good. Theyre just lyrics, and i dont read too much into them. Billy's voice has always be technically poor, but i learned to lov/live with it a long time ago.
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05-18-2007, 05:21 PM | #7 |
Demi-God
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They don't suck, no.
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05-18-2007, 05:25 PM | #8 | |
Demi-God
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On a day when 25 pages will be filled by 6pm tonight about how much or little Tarantula rawked, god forbid someone provide a wonderfully gay alternative.
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05-18-2007, 05:39 PM | #9 |
Socialphobic
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billy has some of my favorite lyrics, but im not impressed by any of them in tarantula.
the song is pretty good, though. |
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05-18-2007, 05:45 PM | #10 |
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He has put out some really cringe worthy stuff but I think 90% of the lyrics he writes is good to fucking amazing. He's not Bob Dylan but he is definitely my fav best songwriter of the 90s to now.
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05-18-2007, 05:47 PM | #11 | |
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I'm pretty into lyrics myself. Corgan is a great lyricist when he tries. |
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05-18-2007, 05:56 PM | #12 |
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lyrics are usually great. not Tarantula.
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05-18-2007, 06:15 PM | #13 |
Ownz
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yea i usually like sp lyrics. these are just kinda dumbed down lyrics. songs still good tho.
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05-18-2007, 06:17 PM | #14 | |
Demi-God
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The second part of the first verse and a few other are still better written than most music on radio these days. Last edited by candycane : 05-18-2007 at 07:08 PM. |
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05-18-2007, 07:52 PM | #15 |
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I think if one were to look for what would have been the natural progression of the Pumpkins from MCIS had Adore not happened (don't get me wrong, I'm on the side of those who recognize Adore for it's brilliance), Tarantula would be a pretty good answer. It's not quite as artsy as most of the stuff off Machina and it's not quite as heavy as some of the songs off of MCIS... But it's most definitely a Pumpkins song and a pretty solid one at that. Everyone is naturally going to be looking for things to pick apart here but if you take the song for what it is I think it's pretty strong. Obviously almost seven years have passed since Machina and that's going to show on the new album, but I think if Tarantula is any indication of what the rest of the album may sound like, we've got to be pretty hopeful that Zeitgeist will hand us our asses/burn the lies from our souls.
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05-18-2007, 07:56 PM | #16 |
Ownz
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i think the lyrics are very symbolic. talking about what's real, and how we're only real because we know we exist, and how god is alone.
do you want the blue pill or the red pill? |
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05-18-2007, 08:00 PM | #17 | ||
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05-19-2007, 01:53 AM | #18 |
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Tarantula has got some alright lines, but it's mainly just a love song. Tonight, Tonight has some great inspirational lines like "the resolute urgency of now," "believe, believe in me," "the impossible is possible tonight." Muzzle also has great lyrics like "Have you ever listened to the words, I'm singin in these songs? It's for the girlllll, I've loved all my life.." Mellon Collie has some great lyrics, that was Billy's peak.
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05-19-2007, 03:20 AM | #19 |
Pledge
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its because of billys lyrics that i love the pumpkins... tarantula has somewhat been a little dissapointing. i still like it, but hes done so much better....
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05-19-2007, 07:09 AM | #20 |
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entertainment weekly gave his book of poetry a D rating. entertainment. weekly.
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05-19-2007, 07:24 AM | #21 |
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sometimes they're the definition of what i think good lyrics should be, sometimes they're just words, rarely would i say something sucked.
'i am one' has some of my fav. bc lyrics, and most folks would probably consider it not so great to dumb ('try to turn to reasons in your..BITTER LIIIFE') but i love it. it doesn't "rely" on the lyrics, but the lyrics do help it achieve its overall power. a lot of my fav bc lyrics come from that era...when the spotlight wasn't as much on the lyrics. Last edited by aztec litany service : 05-19-2007 at 07:34 AM. |
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05-19-2007, 11:32 AM | #22 |
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whereas on machina there was a lot of redundancy and repitition there were still some excellent lyrics. since then good lines have been few and far between. this seems to be the case with tarantula, although it is only one track of 12 (plus b-sides) so it is a bit early to be conclusive. the vocal style of corgan's voice is also worrying as it is closer to tfe than anything else. i know he was always disappointed with his voice but it had something about it that made it oddly enjoyable. the effort that he made with it for adore paid off as it is probably his best singing, but he's been on a downward spiral since. is it correctable? i think so, but he has to want to sing differently. for what it's worth i don't like his pre-gish vocals either.
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05-19-2007, 11:42 AM | #23 |
Demi-God
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I never really paid attention to what good lyrics were until I listened to the Pumpkins. i grew up listening to thrash/speed/death metal before I found SP. before then, I thought Tom Araya and Max Cavalera were great lyricists
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05-19-2007, 11:43 AM | #24 |
Demi-God
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I think a lot of the pre-gish vocals and Gish era were more just there because they needed something to sing along with the lyrics.
Its not like songs such as Vanilla are gonna go down as lyrical genious however I think a lot of SP songs from SD -> Machina have excellent lyrics and are one of the bands strong points. They are just so different from most other bands. Sure there have been some cringe worthy moments (One more cherry cola?) but great most of the time. I'm not quite sold on the lyrics for Tarantula, they aren't bad but not quite up to par. I'm still very hopeful for Zeitgeist though. I think Tarantula is a great song that could have been right up there with the classics if it was slightly longer (particularly the breakdown, I love it its so Geek USA but its over before you know it) and the vocals/lyrics were a tad tighter. I'm pretty certain they'll extend the breakdown and really rock out on this live though. It really is quite a dynamic song despite its shorter run time which was probably more out of a fear of alienating the casual audience with an overly long song. |
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05-19-2007, 11:45 AM | #25 | |
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have you ever heard the words i'm singing in these song? it's for the girl i've loved all along can a taste of love be so wrong http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/s...d=116&display= |
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05-19-2007, 11:50 AM | #26 |
let's see your penis!
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parts of MCIS and almost all of Adore had great lyrics. rest of them either suck or are unincredible.
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05-19-2007, 11:51 AM | #27 |
Minion of Satan
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maybe he needs people like james and d'arcy hanging around the studio, doing drugs and pissing him off to produce his best lyrics. admittedly this didn't work with zwan, so perhaps this is a flawed hypothesis.
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05-19-2007, 11:56 AM | #28 | |
Demi-God
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05-19-2007, 12:03 PM | #29 |
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tarantula's lyrics are kinda...bad. symbolism can be presented in a cheesy fashion or a cryptic fashion and i believe this time billz' lyrics are in the former category.
we'll see how the rest of the album compares soon enough. for now i can laugh at at the horrid opening couplet. |
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05-19-2007, 12:05 PM | #30 |
Demi-God
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do Billy's lyrics suck? compared to who?
He's got the best vocabulary and imagery of any rocker around. edit: this topic pisses me off. if there's one thing that doesn't suck about Billy, it's his lyrics. Imagine if you were a NIN fan and had to put up with this shit as the deepest it gets. "Will you bite the hand that feeds? Will you chew until it bleeds? " Last edited by jamesey : 05-19-2007 at 12:13 PM. |
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