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Old 08-20-2018, 03:54 PM   #1
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Default current SP fans and their relationship with Darcy

serious question, is it wrong to call male SP fans that tear down Darcy's contributions to the band, label her a ''cunt,'' ''crack whore'' sexist? I did so on one of those SP fan pages and got obliterated for it. One woman said this was just cis white male "white knighting."

If I'm wrong to call these men threatened by a woman that speaks her mind, call me out.

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Old 08-20-2018, 03:56 PM   #2
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No, it's not wrong to call that kind of behavior sexist, because calling a woman a cunt or a whore absolutely is sexist.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 03:57 PM   #3
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:00 PM   #4
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:06 PM   #5
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I like Darcy.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:21 PM   #6
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Yeah I made fun of Darcy's drug problem and I am definitely a sexist scumbag. Fuck that it's wrong. I repent 100%.

Fuck Clay "Cluckett" Tuckett.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 05:22 PM   #7
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Is it ok to have the opinion that Darcy is good but that she wouldn’t have been mentally capable of surviving this tour?

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 05:44 PM   #8
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There's many possibilities about what could have happened had she been on the tour. If they had actually spent some time together before the tour/negotiations, I think it could have gone great. If they had just signed the deal without meeting, Billy and D'arcy could have had a blow up on the road, because it's clear that just texting/talking on the phone did not actually repair their past wounds and distrust of each other. I think D'arcy made a comment on AN that alluded to the fact that they could have had issues on the road getting along.

People questioning if D'arcy could have pulled it off I get, she's gone through some stuff, but just from talking to her, she is very stubborn and headstrong (like Billy ironically). I really think she would have put in the work it took to pull off the tour, and seeing the love from fans after 20 years would have increased her confidence even more. She really wanted to do it for the fans.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:00 PM   #9
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I would not use those terms to describe a woman because it is sexist. However, it seems to me that women are perfectly fine calling men dicks or dickheads, and that's just as wrong.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:33 PM   #10
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:37 PM   #11
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I would not use those terms to describe a woman because it is sexist. However, it seems to me that women are perfectly fine calling men dicks or dickheads, and that's just as wrong.
it's not the same though, especially if you are American. Dick or dickhead is like slightly more severe than jerkoff or dumbass. In the US, cunt is a slur.

also it probably doesn't need to be pointed out that between men and women, one group is systemically oppressed and one is not

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:38 PM   #12
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yeah FUCK THE MATRIARCHY

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:39 PM   #13
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the real question is, if a man calls a woman a dickhead, is that sexist?

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:47 PM   #14
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Clay Tuckett hasn't been touched by a woman since his mom wiped his ass at age 16

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:59 PM   #15
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no that's me

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:00 PM   #16
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:22 PM   #17
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it's not the same though, especially if you are American. Dick or dickhead is like slightly more severe than jerkoff or dumbass. In the US, cunt is a slur.

also it probably doesn't need to be pointed out that between men and women, one group is systemically oppressed and one is not
I understand your points. However, it's my impression that many (perhaps most, but I don't know) people use cunt as "like slightly more severe than jerkoff or dumbass" and the female equivalent to dick. The fact that some men use it as a slur makes it worse than dick, sure, but that's a quantitative difference rather than a qualitative one. Have you ever heard someone call a woman a dick? No, it's a term that implies negative qualities typically associated with men. Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex. The facts that sexism is usually against women and that women are systematically oppressed doesn't mean that women are permitted to behave in a sexist manner towards men. Women are obviously not permitted to sexually harass men or (if they are CEOs) to refuse to hire men. In my view, calling people dicks, or cunts, or any other names, is juvenile and offensive and should be discouraged, not justified.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:49 PM   #18
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I do think that cunt sounds more derogatory than dick. Probably because dick is so commonly used.

That said, oppression has nothing to do with how people should treat each other on an individual level. Name calling is childish either way.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:54 PM   #19
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I understand your points. However, it's my impression that many (perhaps most, but I don't know) people use cunt as "like slightly more severe than jerkoff or dumbass" and the female equivalent to dick. The fact that some men use it as a slur makes it worse than dick, sure, but that's a quantitative difference rather than a qualitative one. Have you ever heard someone call a woman a dick? No, it's a term that implies negative qualities typically associated with men. Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex. The facts that sexism is usually against women and that women are systematically oppressed doesn't mean that women are permitted to behave in a sexist manner towards men. Women are obviously not permitted to sexually harass men or (if they are CEOs) to refuse to hire men. In my view, calling people dicks, or cunts, or any other names, is juvenile and offensive and should be discouraged, not justified.
Well I'm not sure where you are from, but in American English, cunt is considered one of the worst words. No one uses it as the female equivalent of dick except for porn stars in the 70s.

Also your categorical imperative can go hang out with Kant in the 17th century. Sexism towards men is not nice, but you can't even argue that it is as destructive as misogyny. Targeting oppressed people because of their identities is, extremely obviously, worse than targeting a ruling class for its identity. Your argument is comparable to saying honky is as bad as the n word

 
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Well I'm not sure where you are from, but in American English, cunt is considered one of the worst words. No one uses it as the female equivalent of dick except for porn stars in the 70s.

Also your categorical imperative can go hang out with Kant in the 17th century. Sexism towards men is not nice, but you can't even argue that it is as destructive as misogyny. Targeting oppressed people because of their identities is, extremely obviously, worse than targeting a ruling class for its identity. Your argument is comparable to saying honky is as bad as the n word
Are you trying to say that women should get a get out of jail card for crude and inappropriate actions against men because of society as a whole?

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:38 PM   #21
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Are you trying to say that women should get a get out of jail card for crude and inappropriate actions against men because of society as a whole?

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Old 08-20-2018, 11:43 PM   #22
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I will take that as a yes. Women must love taking advantage of you.

 
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:47 PM   #23
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cant stand redgull or whatever. always resorts to name calling and cerebral know-it-all arguments. very child-like

 
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:06 AM   #25
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cant stand redgull or whatever. always resorts to name calling and cerebral know-it-all arguments. very child-like
you said I resort to ad-hominem and then use an ad-hominem? weak. go back to school you fucking idiot

 
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:08 AM   #26
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always amazing to me how many people's understanding of social issues just stopped evolving 2 generations ago. white liberals are really something

 
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:06 AM   #27
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I guess it’s a bit disappointing witnessing how fucking dumb a lot of pumpkins fans are.

Seriously one of the worst fan bases on the planet, but what should we expect from a crowd that worships a guy like billy corgan?

Love his guitar playing, though.

 
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cant stand redgull or whatever. always resorts to name calling and cerebral know-it-all arguments. very child-like

This

 
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:01 AM   #29
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you must be confused because you backed a feminist position at the beginning of this thread, and are now backing the guy who thinks we live in a post patriarchal society

 
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:03 AM   #30
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My position is still the same I just think you’re a, you guessed it, dick.

 
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