Clarifying The New Songs

[Wasabi]

New Songs: Organized by date of first appearance>alphabetical
New == no studio recording yet available. tf: gossamer==yes, zeitgeist==no, death from above==no

The linked versions are just the ones I thought would be the best off the top of my head, feel free to comment with better recommendations. I'm using the Payne shows for the most part cuz they're fucking sweet.

1) Gossamer
- played on: 05/22, 05/24, 05/26, 05/28, 06/02, 06/03, 06/05, 06/06, 06/09, 06/15, 06/19, 06/23, 06/24, 06/26, 06/30, 07/03, 07/05, 07/10, 07/15, 07/16, 07/18, 07/20, 07/24, 07/27, 07/30, 07/31
- recordings available of: 05/22, 05/26, 05/28, 06/02, 06/05, 06/06, 06/09, 06/15, 06/19, 06/23. 06/24, 06/26, 06/30, 07/03, 07/05, 07/10, 07/15, 07/16, 07/18, 07/20, 07/24, 07/27
- setlists: 05/22, 05/24, 05/26, 05/28, 06/02, 06/03, 06-05, 06/06, 06-09, 06/15, 06/19, 06/23, 06/24, 06/26, 06/30, 07/03, 07/05, 07/10, 07/15, 07/16, 07/18, 07/20, 07/24, 07/27,
- significant notes:
- + 06/02 played with Uli Jon Roth
- + 06/03 played with Uli Jon Roth and Rudolf Schenker
- + 06/05 acoustic
- + 06/06 played with Uli Jon Roth
- + on setlist for 06/29 though it was not played
- + on setlist for 07/02 though it was not played
- + on the setlist for 07/30, ... though no recordings are yet available. SPFC has no info yet and i'm too lazy to search netphoria


2) Question Mark / It's The Song I Sing
- played on 06/23, 06/24, 06/26, 06/27, 06/29, 07/02, 07/03, 07/19, 08/01
- recordings available of; 06/23, 06/24, 06/26, 06/27, 06/29, 07/02, 07/03
- Naming Convention comes from setlists
- + The Fillmore Setlist for 07/19 has "Question Mark"
- + The Orange Peel's setlists for 06/23, 06/24, 06/26, 06/29, 07/02, and 07/03 setlists have an actual "?"
- + The Orange Peel's setlist for 06/27 has "Question Mark"

3) I Don't Mind - If All Goes Wrong
- played on 06/24, 06/26, 06/27, 06/29, 07/02, 07/03, 07/05, 07/10, 07/15, 07/18, 07/22, 07/27, 07/30
- recordings available of: 06/24, 06/26, 06/27, 06/29, 07/02, 07/03, 07/05, 07/10, 07/15 *no link, torrent only*
- Why the dual name? Setlist amiguity
- + The setlists for 06/24, 06/30, 07/18 have "I Don't Mind"
- + The setlists for 06/29, 07/02, 07/03, 07/05, 07/10, 07/15 have "If All Goes Wrong"

4) Mama - Ma Belle
- played on 06/26, 06/27, 06/29, 06/30, 07/02, 07/03, 07/05, 07/16, 07/19, 07/27, 08/01
- recordings available of: 06/26, 06/27, 06/29, 06/30, 07/02, 07/03, 07/05. 07/16
- Mama != Ma Belle (confirmed by all setlists)

5) If Only In A Dream
- played on 06/27, 06/30
- recordings available of: 06/27, 06/30
- listed as ! on the 06/27 and 06/30 setlists.
- naming is from predominant repeated phrase, more useful than random punctuation

6) I'm Doing The Best I can
- played on 06/27, 08/01
- recordings available of: 06/27
- naming is from 06/27 setlist

7) The Leaving Lament - Leaving Lane
- played on 07/05, 07/15, 07/16, 07/19, 07/25, 07/28
- recording available of 07/05, 07/15 *no link, torrent only*, 07/16
- naming convention under debate

8) Orpheus Descending
- on the 07/05 setlist
- not played

9) Sing For All You Squander / Psalm 131
- played on 07/05
- recording available of 07/05
- listed as dual track name by spfc

10) Promise Me
- played on 07/16
- recording available of 07/16

11) No Surrender
- played on 07/22, 07/27, 07/28, 07/31
- on setlist for 07/25 though not played

12) Peace and Love
- played on 07/24, 07/25, 07/28, 07/30, 07/31, 08/01
- billy on guitar / lisa on piano / billy on harmonica

13) Superchrist
- played on 07/24, 07/25, 07/27, 07/28, 07/30, 07/31, 08/01

14) 99 Floors
- played on 07/25, 07/27, 07/28, 07/30, 07/31, 08/01
- billy on harmonica

15) The Rose March
- played on 07/30, 07/31, 08/01

Not individual songs, but still 'significant'
- 52 Crows ?
- + is not an individual song, but rather a jam-ingredient in the uberGossamer
- + played at 07/03 and every Gossamer since.

- Reflection Banter #1
- + occurred on 07/16
- + recording available.

- Reflection Banter #2
- + occurred on 07/16
- + recording available.

- Reflection Banter #3
- + occurred on 07/16
- + recording available.

[fatbrianwilson]

1. it appeared on the SP.com setlist as '?', then later as 'Question Mark'

2. setlist thing again.

3. The 'Ma belle' designation was incorrect. Some douche-bags thought he was singing 'ma belle' instead of 'mama'. It's a new song.

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by fatbrianwilson

1. it appeared on the SP.com setlist as '?', then later as 'Question Mark'

2. setlist thing again.

3. The 'Ma belle' designation was incorrect. Some douche-bags thought he was singing 'ma belle' instead of 'mama'. It's a new song.

thanks, i edited the post to reflect your feedback

[tcm]

4) "I'm Doing The Best I Can" is from the setlist on smashingpumpkins.com
5) is listed as "!" on the 6/27 setlist. 6/30 hasn't been posted yet.

Originally Posted by fatbrianwilson

Some douche-bags thought he was singing 'ma belle' instead of 'mama'.

cool it, jack.

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by tcm

4) "I'm Doing The Best I Can" is from the setlist on smashingpumpkins.com
5) is listed as "!" on the 6/27 setlist. 6/30 hasn't been posted yet.


cool it, jack.

thanks for helping me out
i've edited the post to ******* these insights
do you know, since we've only got the official label of !, why 5) is named as such? Having not heard the song yet, I don't know if the 'name' we use now is just repeated phrasing or what?

[Travis_Wright]

yeah seriously, in the song he says "mama" and "bell"

so get a clue.

[trev]

"i don't mind" is the best thing corgan has written in the last 2 years easy. just beautiful.

[tcm]

Originally Posted by Wasabi

thanks for helping me out
i've edited the post to ******* these insights
do you know, since we've only got the official label of !, why 5) is named as such? Having not heard the song yet, I don't know if the 'name' we use now is just repeated phrasing or what?

yes, "if only in a dream" is repeated many times in the song. i guess people are using that because the names keep changing on the setlists anyway and it's an easier identifier for the song than "!".

[tcm]

Originally Posted by Travis_Wright

yeah seriously, in the song he says "mama" and "bell"

so get a clue.

i don't think Mama is Ma Belle. but it was a fair supposition at the time and the "some douchebags" comment was uncalled for. tsk.

[fatbrianwilson]

sorry, i was just using it as a generic term. no offense intended.

[tcm]

understood. we try to keep things civil around here and perhaps sometimes we are overly sensitive. welcome to Netphoria, friend.

[pepper666]

i really liked the new songs.. they just show the abilities of BC as a genius songwriter

[pepper666]

btw i totally fall for "Mama".. this song reminds me so much of the emotion in MCIS as nothing i have heard from billy for a long time.. i can imagine it very well as lily b-side

[deadaswarhol]

Mama reminds me of Winnie the Pooh

[smashapumpkin]

someone update this

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by smashapumpkin

someone update this

it's been updated to get rid of the awkwardness that was the 0703 bluff and with the two songs of 0705 ... anything else?

[tcm]

#5 was listed again as "!" on the 6/30 setlist.

52 Crows is part of the new ending to Gossamer from the last two shows. more of a jam than a full-fledged song like the others. recording here: http://www.archive.org/details/sp200...AKGck93.flac16

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by tcm

#5 was listed again as "!" on the 6/30 setlist.

52 Crows is part of the new ending to Gossamer from the last two shows. more of a jam than a full-fledged song like the others. recording here: http://www.archive.org/details/sp200...AKGck93.flac16

thanks, thread has been updated.
If i had time this weekend, i'll update the post with archive links

[fatbrianwilson]

another bit of info:

'I'm Doing the Best I Can' will likely never again see the light of day... on account of it being a huge steaming turd.

[tcm]

you've been warned once, fatbrianwilson, i'm not going to warn you again. so watch it, just watch it.

[markpregen]

Originally Posted by tcm

you've been warned once, fatbrianwilson, i'm not going to warn you again. so watch it, just watch it.

give him a break.. he's kind of funny.. and brian wilson is certainly fat

[tcm]

i have given him break after break, markpregen. there comes a point where i have to put my foot down.

[Wasabi]

*bump* for minor b.s. edit .. more than likely more to come, depending on how my insomnia works this evening ...

*note to self, ******* archivelinkage*

[Alice]

I believe you missed "Promise Me." It was premiered at the 7/16 Fillmore show. It was Billy on acoustic with full band if I recall correctly. Jeff played some lead on his strat I think.

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by Tyler

I believe you missed "Promise Me." It was premiered at the 7/16 Fillmore show. It was Billy on acoustic with full band if I recall correctly. Jeff played some lead on his strat I think.

thanks, this has been added. as well as the information updated on available recordings of other tracks...

gah i wish spfc was around, so i can confirm recent fillmore tracklists.

[Mayfuck]

Translucent isn't a new song.

[czr]

haha

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

Translucent isn't a new song.

Have we 'heard' it anywhere before? or is it just ... not new in that it was written ages ago?

[Fritter]

Why is Translucent on this list?

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by Fritter

Why is Translucent on this list?

jesus
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