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Old 06-04-2007, 08:56 PM   #1
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Default "This Time" Lyrics, Song Meaning

I always thought this song was about the breakup of the band
but i thought it was mainly about D'arcy's recent drug troubles (at the time) and Jimmy's past troubles and just so much strain over the years that it had to come to an end.

Then last night, i was listening to the song
and remembering how Billy said that it was James that broke up the band
and the 1st verse hit me

"this time i need to know
i really must be told
if it's over
it's up to you, you know
the things you really want to hold
are in pieces"

Was it a situation where James said he didn't know if he wanted to continue in the band, but took some time to finalize his decision?

"crashing down
crashing down again
crashing down
crashing down my friends"

The band, his friends..crashing down and coming to an end

"i've got to move it on
i've got to sing my song
while i still can
dispatch the last alarms
hand out the last few charms
there's no surprises"

Billy isn't done making music, if the pumpkins are indeed over because James doesn't want to continue, then let Billy know because he wants to create more music

"only love
only love can win
crashing down
crashing down again"

The only way the band stays together, is if James decides he loves being in the pumpkins too much to tell Billy that it's over

"for every chemical
you trade a piece of your soul
with no return
and who you think you know
doesn't know you at all
their drain is needless"

This verse is about D'arcy and somewhat James
D'arcy's drug problem and the disconnection between Billy, James and D'arcy
and if the rumors of Billy being the one who played all the instruments on some of the albums, then "their drain is needless" meaning, he doesn't need them to continue.

"someday we'll wave hello
and wish we'd never waved goodbye
to this romance
we'll drink up every line
and shoot up every word
till it's no more"

Billy thinks the band will get back together, altho now we know he was wrong
because D'arcy and James both declined to be in the band.

"so cry these tears
we'll cry as all
we've held so long
to fall apart
as the curtain falls
we bid you all goodnight"

Be sad, as a band...they held on SOOO long despite all the arguments and turmoil
but now, it's finally reached it's and and its over "as the curtain falls, we bid you all goodnight" - meaning it was a great ride and a lot of fun...but goodbye, the pumpkins are no more.

So yeah, a lot of Billy's songs are mished mashed with a lot of different ideas he's had in his head and he'll plop them into a song just because it fits

this song, is one of the most straight forward songs he's ever written
if not THE most straight forward and obvious

what do you think?

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:00 PM   #2
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you like analyzing alot don't you

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:02 PM   #3
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I think you nailed the meaning, Desolation_Disco_King. That was a very interesting read and I'm looking forward to your future insights about the pumpkin world (pumpkinland?)

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:05 PM   #4
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true, true...

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:05 PM   #5
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can you stop posting. thanks.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:06 PM   #6
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This is an interesting explaination I heard somewhere (probably on here)

This verse has a specific message for each member of the band (original members)

"for every chemical
you trade a piece of your soul
with no return
(Darcy and her drug problem)

and who you think you know
doesn't know you at all
their drain is needless"
(Tension with James)

"someday we'll wave hello
and wish we'd never waved goodbye
to this romance
(A message to Jimmy saying we shall rock again)

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:08 PM   #7
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maybe the song was meant to be sung by all members as with farewell and goodnight and d'arcy figured out her lines and left the band. of course james was too busy thinking about his gay ass dildos to understand.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:13 PM   #8
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I get sad every time I hear this song.
Didn't Billy start to cry or choke playing this at the last Metro show?

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:21 PM   #9
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can you stop posting. thanks.
Last night, and the night before
i fucked your mom in the ass...quite a few times actually
but the one thing that was interesting...was that

she kept calling out your name

why is that?

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:23 PM   #10
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you can't have bragging rights if he already fucked his mom in the ass, the joke's on you if you pick the leftover moms. I advice you to revise your post.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:25 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by starlaluna
I get sad every time I hear this song.
Didn't Billy start to cry or choke playing this at the last Metro show?

I heard that he did but am not sure.

I love this song it made me so sad the first time I heard it. I immediately thought it was about the band coming to the end. Like Billy said no one loves the band like he does, so it was sad to hear him sing about its end. I think this is one of the few songs where there's no debate about the meaning.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:26 PM   #12
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can you stop posting. thanks.
This thread is 10 times more constructive and interesting than anything I've ever seen you post.

And your avatar is the most annoying thing ever. Except for jazz.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:30 PM   #13
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Isn't it pretty obvious that this song is about the breakup? I mean, I can't imagine someone missing that.

I love how Desolation_Disco_King presents it, though...it's like "Hey guys, i'm just throwing this CRAZY idea out there...but do ya think when Billy sings "crashing down" it might be about the band breaking up?!??!?!?!"

Yeah, no shit.

What's next? Your theories on how 1979 is about lost youth? Or how Today is about depression? Or maybe about how SIYL is about being in love! I CAN'T WAIT!

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:34 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Boseph
Isn't it pretty obvious that this song is about the breakup? I mean, I can't imagine someone missing that.

I love how Desolation_Disco_King presents it, though...it's like "Hey guys, i'm just throwing this CRAZY idea out there...but do ya think when Billy sings "crashing down" it might be about the band breaking up?!??!?!?!"

Yeah, no shit.

What's next? Your theories on how 1979 is about lost youth? Or how Today is about depression? Or maybe about how SIYL is about being in love! I CAN'T WAIT!
it would be kinda nice to have rep back.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:34 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Boseph
Isn't it pretty obvious that this song is about the breakup? I mean, I can't imagine someone missing that.

I love how Desolation_Disco_King presents it, though...it's like "Hey guys, i'm just throwing this CRAZY idea out there...but do ya think when Billy sings "crashing down" it might be about the band breaking up?!??!?!?!"

Yeah, no shit.

What's next? Your theories on how 1979 is about lost youth? Or how Today is about depression? Or maybe about how SIYL is about being in love! I CAN'T WAIT!
gotta love pathetic losers that don't know what 2+2 is

i said the song is about JAMES breaking the band up
not JUST the band breaking up

if you knew how to read, which you clearly don't
you'd see that i said i always knew the song was about the band breaking up
but it was last night that i was thinking maybe it's more specific..and maybe it's about JAMES breaking up the band.

go back to school, ok?

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:43 PM   #16
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gotta love pathetic losers that don't know what 2+2 is

i said the song is about JAMES breaking the band up
not JUST the band breaking up

if you knew how to read, which you clearly don't
you'd see that i said i always knew the song was about the band breaking up
but it was last night that i was thinking maybe it's more specific..and maybe it's about JAMES breaking up the band.

go back to school, ok?
Hey man, did you ever think that when Billy sings "I used to be a little boy" in Disarm he was actually singing about how he used to be a little boy?! Like, in the past? And when he sings "so old in my shoes" maybe he meant that he was older than his years or something. And then when he sings "ooohh, the years burn" maybe he's trying to say that he had a bad childhood? Woah, this totally changed my perspective of the song!

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:45 PM   #17
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What's the secret, boseph?

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:48 PM   #18
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What's the secret, boseph?
I guess i'm just really analytical and introspective. Like, more than most other people. That's why I pick up on these things.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 10:29 PM   #19
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word, well if this time is an anology of the band then so is Gossamer.

Gossamer is basically Billy re-embracing what he lost but with fear of losing it again.

 
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Old 06-04-2007, 10:33 PM   #20
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Hey man, did you ever think that when Billy sings "I used to be a little boy" in Disarm he was actually singing about how he used to be a little boy?! Like, in the past? And when he sings "so old in my shoes" maybe he meant that he was older than his years or something. And then when he sings "ooohh, the years burn" maybe he's trying to say that he had a bad childhood? Woah, this totally changed my perspective of the song!
wow! you just totally blew my mind!

 
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Old 06-05-2007, 02:37 AM   #21
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desolation_disco_king = catherine wheel?

 
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:46 AM   #22
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desolation_disco_king = catherine wheel?
no, he is - unlike catherine wheel - posting in his own thread

 
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:59 AM   #23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boseph
I love how Desolation_Disco_King presents it, though...it's like "Hey guys, i'm just throwing this CRAZY idea out there...but do ya think when Billy sings "crashing down" it might be about the band breaking up?!??!?!?!"

Yeah, no shit.

What's next? Your theories on how 1979 is about lost youth? Or how Today is about depression? Or maybe about how SIYL is about being in love! I CAN'T WAIT!

hehehe

 
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:08 AM   #24
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Jesus

I've taken my cross

 
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