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Old 10-28-2015, 09:13 PM   #1
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Default Why can't good songwriters continue to write good songs through their 40's and on?

It seems like once every good songwriter reaches about their mid 40's and on that they simply can't write a good song anymore. The examples are seemingly endless and it's a true rarity to find an odd exception to this rule.

So what is the deal? Do these guys get old and just stop caring about music? All of the older people I know in my life still love music so that can't be it. Is it just that these guys get pushed too hard and they burn out?

 
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Old 10-28-2015, 09:34 PM   #2
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you're talking about singer/songwriters and not songwriters.

time to start checking those song credits.

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:41 AM   #3
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you're talking about singer/songwriters and not songwriters.
it's a dumb statement either way

 
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Old 10-28-2015, 09:52 PM   #4
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there is sometimes a comeback of talent at 60 years of age

 
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Old 10-28-2015, 09:54 PM   #5
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Touche, yes, singer songwriters. I suppose theres a bunch of old ass guys writing hits for pop artists and shit

 
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Old 10-28-2015, 09:56 PM   #6
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Robert Plant has never really lost it.

 
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Old 10-28-2015, 10:22 PM   #7
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Robert Plant has never really lost it.
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Old 10-28-2015, 10:20 PM   #8
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Great thread, Fuzzyroes. My answer is going to have to be The Smashing Pumpkins

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:17 AM   #9
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It seems like once every good songwriter reaches about their mid 40's and on that they simply can't write a good song anymore. The examples are seemingly endless and it's a true rarity to find an odd exception to this rule.

So what is the deal? Do these guys get old and just stop caring about music? All of the older people I know in my life still love music so that can't be it. Is it just that these guys get pushed too hard and they burn out?
who the fuck are you talking about? mike ness? please start seemingly endless list.

 
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who the fuck are you talking about? mike ness? please start seemingly endless list.
it's just dumb trolling

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 09:06 PM   #11
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who the fuck are you talking about? mike ness? please start seemingly endless list.
Come on man, really? Pretty much every artist that was good in the 80's and 90's that are still putting out music.

It seems like the only exception to the rule is when the artist takes like 8-10 years to put out a new record, then it's usually pretty decent. Bands like Milencolin and Dinosaur Jr.. even GnR put out good comeback albums but even J Macis and Dino Jr are putting out lame crap now. Even innovators that created a genre like the Pixies can't write a good song anymore.

It seems that artists just get older and suddenly just don't care about putting passion into music anymore. I personally don't fucking get it. If I was lucky enough to have a career in music I'd pour everything I have into it.

Sonic brought up a good point about older people having more responsibilities, but these rock-star fucks have all the time in the world to pour their heart into their music. Are they all just that jaded?

 
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Old 10-30-2015, 02:30 AM   #12
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Come on man, really? Pretty much every artist that was good in the 80's and 90's that are still putting out music.

It seems like the only exception to the rule is when the artist takes like 8-10 years to put out a new record, then it's usually pretty decent. Bands like Milencolin and Dinosaur Jr.. even GnR put out good comeback albums but even J Macis and Dino Jr are putting out lame crap now. Even innovators that created a genre like the Pixies can't write a good song anymore.

It seems that artists just get older and suddenly just don't care about putting passion into music anymore. I personally don't fucking get it. If I was lucky enough to have a career in music I'd pour everything I have into it.

Sonic brought up a good point about older people having more responsibilities, but these rock-star fucks have all the time in the world to pour their heart into their music. Are they all just that jaded?
Christ your opinion and outlook on everything is buttfuck retarded. I am sorry you were a down syndrome baby who grew into a dolt. Who? How do you know they don't care because your taste sucks? Milencoin? Who? Dino Jr put out lame crap? They may not be 20 but they are older musicians making money to huge crowds often bigger than ever. What are you doing? Still don't know who you are referencing cuz like you haven't illustrated a point yet. Fuck I wish some of you would just keep your stupid fucking sausage fingers off keyboards. Fucking useless discussion starters. Fuck you. Die.

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:21 AM   #13
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Neil Young is the obvious exception that comes to mind. he puts out bad stuff as well, but every few albums he still manages to hit it out of the park

 
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iirc leonard cohen was in his late fifties when i'm your man came out and early sixties when the future came out

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:51 AM   #15
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He's talking about Rivers Cuomo

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 09:08 PM   #16
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He's talking about Rivers Cuomo
You ever listen to any new Slayer man?.......

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Yeah.... You should understand this topics sentiment

 
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Jesus Christ man, you're thinking about the few arguable exceptions to the rule... Just cause theres the odd old dude still putting out arguably good music doesn't mean that the point I'm making is trolling.

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:38 PM   #20
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Jesus Christ man, you're thinking about the few arguable exceptions to the rule... Just cause theres the odd old dude still putting out arguably good music doesn't mean that the point I'm making is trolling.
we've listed several people which refutes your point

 
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I can't think of any gen xers yet tho

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 01:01 AM   #22
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I can't think of any gen xers yet tho
I think these guys all did just burn out. Thom Yorke? Mark Kozelek? Both released stuff that was really good in the 2000s, but not so much in the past five years I guess

 
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Old 10-29-2015, 01:53 AM   #23
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I think these guys all did just burn out. Thom Yorke? Mark Kozelek? Both released stuff that was really good in the 2000s, but not so much in the past five years I guess
Kozelek released Benji last year - which I'd argue is one of the best albums he ever did.

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It seems like once every good songwriter reaches about their mid 40's and on that they simply can't write a good song anymore. The examples are seemingly endless and it's a true rarity to find an odd exception to this rule.

So what is the deal? Do these guys get old and just stop caring about music? All of the older people I know in my life still love music so that can't be it. Is it just that these guys get pushed too hard and they burn out?
it's not a true rarity, no.
the past few years had these albums - so you can't even argue only the prime examples like Leonard Cohen, Neil Young or Bob Dylan "made one good album back then when they got old."

Let England Shake - PJ Harvey age 42
Vulnicura - Björk age 49
50 Words for Snow - Kate Bush age 53
Push the Sky Away - Nick Cave age 56
Bad As me - Tom Waits age 61

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there might be some correlation with singer songwriters coming from uncomfortable backgrounds, getting rich and comfortable, and numbing their still present feelings with endless therapy, consumerism, short lived relationships...and have an audience willing to listen to whatever drivel they produce, so stop really pulling out all the stops to get an audience

maybe that's just crogan

 
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Kozelek released Benji last year - which I'd argue is one of the best albums he ever did.
it took me a LONG time to come around to Benji. I think I posted over and over about wanting so bad to get it but I just couldn't. I can't reconcile it at all with his pre-2010 material, but it is quite good. one day I was on a bus when I was traveling with my friend in asia and I just had a moment where Carissa came on and I really listened to the lyrics staring out the window and I started crying because it's so real. I'm not sure how to explain it.

but overall I think his songwriting took a dip after Admiral Fell Promises. I will say though that I think he could still put out shit that sounds like earlier SKM and it would be just as good, but he is bored and for himself needs to keep doing something different, and I respect that. I don't respect him getting all crazy and having public spats with people in recent years, or calling that journalist a bitch on stage and asking why she wants to fuck him so bad or whatever. Admittedly, she did harass him and his friends on their home phones and then after the incident she profited off it by writing an article for the Atlantic about what a misogynistic awful pig he is... but yeah, it's still not cool Mark.

 
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one day I was on a bus when I was traveling with my friend in asia and I just had a moment where Carissa came on and I really listened to the lyrics staring out the window and I started crying because it's so real. I'm not sure how to explain it.
I can't explain it either but I had something similar - replace bus with train and Asia with Euro - while listening to Jim Wise.

 
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Let England Shake - PJ Harvey age 42
Vulnicura - Björk age 49
50 Words for Snow - Kate Bush age 53
Push the Sky Away - Nick Cave age 56
Bad As me - Tom Waits age 61
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Just heard of this guy. Pretty sure he is not over 40 but he's a good songwriter. Kind of like a more alternative Neil Young played by someone whose voice is half Ian Curtis and half Jeff Buckley.

 
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oh jesus are they 40

 
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oh jesus are they 40
both closer to 50 I think.

one of the few astute things b0lly ever said was pointing out (in the 90s) that rock is really a young man's game, and older people for whatever reason are bad at making rock music generally. Singer songwriters, I can think of a fair number who put out good stuff later in their careers. Blues guys don't even get warmed up until they get old according to several iconic bluesmen.

 
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