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10-11-2018, 07:25 PM | #61 |
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10-11-2018, 07:34 PM | #62 | |
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10-11-2018, 07:38 PM | #63 | |
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The way the hall of fame uses "rock and roll" is the big meaning, as in popular music which came from blues and rockabilly. That includes r&b, pop, hip hop, etc. also it's one of the most irrelevant things imaginable so who cares |
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10-11-2018, 07:58 PM | #64 | ||
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"Focusing on the "rock n roll" part is the low-hanging fruit and it says more about what people think about women and non-white people than it does about the nominees" she was saying that trying to keep the R&R HoF "rock and roll" focused is really just an attempt to exercise discrimination against black people and women. That's patently ridiculous, not much need be said about that. I'm a fan of Marvin Gaye in particular, but I won't pretend he was "rock and roll". From what I can tell, everything about the R&R HoF is about the genre known as "rock and roll" - except for a few particular inductees, who, I'm beginning to sense, were chosen for extrinsic reasons. Last edited by MonumentsRocks : 10-11-2018 at 08:03 PM. |
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10-11-2018, 08:02 PM | #65 |
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obvious troll is obvious
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10-11-2018, 08:28 PM | #66 | |
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do some research on where the term came from and how it was used in the late 40s and 50s. I think you'll find it was used broadly to refer to any number of genres which came from blues, country, rockabilly, folk, gospel, roots music turned commercial, and even jazz |
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10-11-2018, 08:34 PM | #67 |
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10-11-2018, 08:38 PM | #68 |
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10-11-2018, 08:46 PM | #69 | |
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I know people who are racist or sexist frequently use some side issue to further their agenda, but the truth is I think it is insulting to Aretha Franklin and the others to essentially be made into "token blacks" on account of "rock and roll" being predominantly undertaken by white musicians, and the bad politics that stem from that. |
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10-11-2018, 08:47 PM | #70 | |
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10-11-2018, 08:51 PM | #71 |
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10-11-2018, 08:59 PM | #72 |
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10-11-2018, 08:59 PM | #73 |
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or maybe you've just been reading too much music journalism
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10-11-2018, 09:05 PM | #74 |
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Monuments, don't bother man... You're arguing with a troll.
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10-11-2018, 09:06 PM | #75 |
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That's not much of a counterpoint, but if that's where we leave off, I guess that's where we leave off.
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10-11-2018, 09:08 PM | #76 |
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You are using "rock and roll," a very loose and poorly defined term which has meant different things to different people in different times, to mean what is more commonly just called ROCK in contemporary parlance. The end.
also it doesn't matter, NO ONE takes the hall of fame seriously except like your old dad and the corporate guys who put the event on |
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10-11-2018, 09:08 PM | #77 | |
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Take it from me (someone with experience), it's not worth your time trying to enlightening him. |
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10-11-2018, 09:10 PM | #78 |
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10-11-2018, 10:27 PM | #79 |
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so many things i want to MANSPLAIN right now
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10-11-2018, 10:47 PM | #80 |
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They will find a way to induct Janet Jackson and LL Cool J over the Cure. They love those big names even if they aren’t technically rock and roll.
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10-11-2018, 11:06 PM | #81 |
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Monuments has a point though.
If Billy Corgan was black, Smashing Pumpkins would already be in the HOF. |
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10-11-2018, 11:17 PM | #82 |
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Billy Corgan's problem lies within his consistency of output. Billy released 2 great, culturally important albums... Aside from that all the releases range from pretty good to shit.
To have the privilege of being in the hall of fame, you need a longer run of artistic dominance... There's a few recent exceptions, GnR, Sex Pistols ETC... But Corgan's failed to further his career... His odds of the hall of fame are likely only slightly better than The Counting Crows and Collective Soul. |
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10-12-2018, 12:13 AM | #83 | |
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I bet you like "all kinds of music except rap and country" and that you have "one black friend so not racist." Do you have a daughter, so you "can't possibly be misogynist" as well? Man, this thread got racist AF. |
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10-12-2018, 12:15 AM | #84 | |
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10-12-2018, 12:17 AM | #85 | |
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Another revealing thing about the R&RHoF, when they inducted Pearl Jam, they excluded the drummer who was with the band for their three peak sales albums, but included the drummer who was with them for their more recent, worst selling albums. It could be speculated that Eddie Vedder called the shots and decided whether the new drummer or the old drummer got in, but that would mean the subject of history was permitted to rewrite their own history, which is fucked up and it damages the integrity of the award, for anyone who cares about integrity, which obviously isn't many people, sadly. The moral of the story is that even though they claim it's about what a band represented ~25 years ago, it's really about what that band represents now. |
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10-12-2018, 12:20 AM | #86 |
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and SP made much more exciting music and I think it's totally related to Corgan being a wacko, the whole thing is just ironic because dude wants it
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10-12-2018, 01:11 AM | #87 |
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Actually went to HOF in August they play a video showing how rock n roll was created by black people before you go in. It actually Even points out how people think it started with Elvis & such ..but the black blues musicians actually started it. Also SP has a few small items in the Chicago display.
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10-12-2018, 01:14 AM | #88 |
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there was no SP stuff when I was there in 2006
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10-12-2018, 01:18 AM | #89 |
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there sure was a lot of trash in the lake tho
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10-12-2018, 01:48 AM | #90 |
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I guess when you continue to put out new work, there is always the risk that people will realise your earlier success was actually a fluke.
He should have stopped at MCIS and gone down in a blaze of glory Using that phrase made me wonder if Bon Jovi are in the HOF and LOL they are This is now officially a Bon Jovi thread Richie Sambora was kinda hot, back in the day |
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