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Old 08-29-2017, 03:01 PM   #211
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:00 PM   #212
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In locations with multiply shows "The first set still being new, but with a different flow, the second totally different songs ".

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:09 PM   #213
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No way the second set is totally different songs.

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:45 PM   #214
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:07 PM   #215
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Mann, after having some time to let this song sink in after a handful of listens over several days, I can sincerely say that it sucks. For a simple piano ballad, it's amazing how bad Rubin screwed the pooch on production. And man... Can't Billy write a song anymore? Even check out this piano ballad by the Beach Boys former drummer Dennis Wilson.... Way better production, better creative melodies... and It's by a Beach Boy drummer.... Wasn't Corgan once prolific? Even often heralded as the best songwriter of the generation? What the hell happened...


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Old 08-29-2017, 08:25 PM   #216
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i haven't found anyone on social media excited by this song
Dude, if you read Reddit you'd think he released something better than Siamese Dream.

[–]halfmast 9 points 7 days ago

Was not expecting something this direct and straightforward. It sounds really powerful and full. When his voice lands on that towering chord from the piano and strings on the second part of the chorus I get goosebumps.

If the rest of the album is in this style it could be Billy's Sea Change/Morning Phase.

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:32 PM   #217
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[–]Bleejis_Krilbin 4 points 7 days ago

I thought this was Coldplay at first. I like a lot of early Coldplay, though, so that's not an issue to me. Haha. For what it's worth, the production sounds really good to me. Not sure what the other tracks will sound like with more instruments mixed in. I like the track overall. It's like MCIS with a sample of Teargarden.

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Old 08-29-2017, 08:40 PM   #218
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Classic Billy story here:


[–]juanwayne 2 points 6 days ago

Wait he actually blamed everyone at the tfe release about not pushing the album haha? Classic billy. I was lucky enough to see a show on that tour. Before the show i saw him walking around (nyc) with his bodyguard. The funny part was he was a lot bigger than his bodyguard. Anyway, i mustered the courage to let him know im excited for the show tonight. He threw his hand up like dont bother me kid while his bodyguard gave me a death stare. I didnt even ask for an autograph

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:47 PM   #219
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man people can't seem to get enough of this shit

[–]Raven616 2 points 7 days ago

It's very refreshing to hear his music so stripped down and simple. It's very cool, and I can't wait to hear what the rest of the album sounds like. I'm hoping we get more cool acoustic stuff like Cardinal Rule or something.

[–]gredgexPisces Iscariot 5 points 7 days ago

i love it! really not much to say otherwise, its like a vocal track put to MCIS, which is a great thing.

[–]ShatteringLast 2 points 7 days ago

Nothing deep in this comment... but I really fucking like it. My one nitpick is that it ends and I keep having to replay it. Too short!



 
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:51 PM   #220
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It is not inflammatory to acknowledge that those songs are highly personal and the person who wrote them would likely have the most emotion invested in the songs and that would be conveyed in their voice. That would be true even no matter how terrible they sounded. Billy didn't sound terrible, but obviously not great. But his emotional connection to the songs is palpable
I'm sorry, I just can't buy the "the song's a personal song so the bad singer who wrote it should sing it" argument.

Compare versions of The Who's "Love, Reign o'er Me", one version featuring Pete Townshend on vocals, and another featuring Roger Daltry on vocals, especially that end "Love" @ 4:36 on Townshend's version and 4:59 on Daltry's:

Pete Townshend vocal:


Roger Daltry vocal:


Whichever one you prefer is entirely subjective, but it's pretty obvious that Daltry did an amazing job interpreting a song that Townshend wrote and took it to a level that Townshend could never achieve. Daltry's ability to articulate his own emotional connection is palpable here.

This example shows how just because someone didn't write a song, doesn't mean that he can't do a better job singing it/interpreting it than the writer did, no matter how 'highly personal' the song might be.

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:52 PM   #221
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[–]Kyle_Craig 2 points 6 days ago

hey I thought it was kinda nice!

[–]TheFlatypusAdore 2 points 7 days ago

It's got that Mellon Collie piano and strings with Billy's newer style of vocals, I hope the rest is just as good!

[–]LowSelfEstidle 1 point 1 day ago

Really love this song. It's been stuck in my head all week. The main chord progression (D - A - E) reminds me of "Muzzle."




 
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Old 08-29-2017, 10:21 PM   #222
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I'm sorry, I just can't buy the "the song's a personal song so the bad singer who wrote it should sing it" argument.

Compare versions of The Who's "Love, Reign o'er Me", one version featuring Pete Townshend on vocals, and another featuring Roger Daltry on vocals, especially that end "Love" @ 4:36 on Townshend's version and 4:59 on Daltry's:

Pete Townshend vocal:


Roger Daltry vocal:


Whichever one you prefer is entirely subjective, but it's pretty obvious that Daltry did an amazing job interpreting a song that Townshend wrote and took it to a level that Townshend could never achieve. Daltry's ability to articulate his own emotional connection is palpable here.

This example shows how just because someone didn't write a song, doesn't mean that he can't do a better job singing it/interpreting it than the writer did, no matter how 'highly personal' the song might be.
I'm not saying someone else "shouldn't" sing songs another person wrote. I just don't think you can say Billy's voice sucked, so someone else singing would have made the songs even better. It worked, despite his voice sucking. The band may or may not have done just as well (or better) with another vocalist. There's nothing wrong with the way the band did evolve, and no reason to think it definitely would have been better with a standalone singer.

 
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I thought this was Coldplay at first. I like a lot of early Coldplay, though, so that's not an issue to me. Haha. For what it's worth, the production sounds really good to me. Not sure what the other tracks will sound like with more instruments mixed in. I like the track overall. It's like MCIS with a sample of Teargarden.

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Old 08-29-2017, 10:34 PM   #224
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i haven't heard the song since last week or whatever. it hasn't stuck in my head and i can't be bothered checking it out again

and that's the story of the band

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 10:35 PM   #225
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Be fair, Oceania was an effort.

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 11:06 PM   #226
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I think I'm trying to make peace with a lot of things, you know, one of which is my voice. I don't sing as well as I would like to...
where is this quote coming from? link?

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 11:09 PM   #227
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just gave it another spin to be decent.

this song really just sounds horrible from top to bottom, and not even because i don't like corgan anymore.

the piano sound is so synthetic it literally sounds like a poorly programmed VST plugin (it could very well be, i'm honestly not sure), the playing is dull, boring and void of any nuance - just heavy handed hammering on the chords. and most of all, those vocals that are so ridiculously up front, with that constant vibrato and cutting off of first syllables of words.

this is just really bad. the song itself would be listenable if only the execution was somehow decent, but as it is it sounds like a bad demo.

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Old 08-29-2017, 11:37 PM   #228
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This came from Post #199 in this thread:

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...&postcount=199

 
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Old 08-29-2017, 11:51 PM   #229
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Seems like every corner of the internet I go to that has had a topic about this has people griping about his vibrato usage. When you really listen for every instance of it it just gets funny. Like, a guitar player wouldn't just end every single phrase with a shit ton of vibrato (would they? idk)

The way he sings "return" also just tickles me.

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Old 08-30-2017, 01:38 AM   #230
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The way he sings "return" also just tickles me.

"...ret- uuuuurn..."

 
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:51 AM   #231
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The song sucks and normally with SP/Billy i would keep listening to see if there's something I'm missing, but i gotta say it's just not worth devoting a lot of energy forcing myself to find a way to appreciate this sub-par work.

Plus, why would i want to help boost the stream count of an Alex Jones supporter. It's true. Alex Jones and Billy's idiotic praise of Trump have affected my willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I know its the art, and not the artist. But when the artist is such a terrible person, it really does hamper my ability to buy into the work... particularly when the work sucks.

 
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I guess you can go listen to Katy Perry or some other shithead who shares the same politics as you do.


 
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nice jab. but its not politics. its just sanity v insanity.

 
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:12 AM   #234
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It's honestly pretty weird that Corgan has the views he does, given all the drugs he did in the 90s and that he played in alt rock band and everything

but I suppose everything else about him started to fucking suck lately too, so...

 
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:05 AM   #235
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anyone have a link to corgan praising trump?

 
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anyone have a link to corgan praising trump?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=la0Hb7GrLt4

Not really praising Trump, but defending him and attacking the media.

 
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Picasso was a Stalinist. Does that diminish his work or mean that we can't or shouldn't enjoy it? It's completely stupid to appreciate art through some sort of political loyalty lens.
Picasso didn't make garbage. Billy is no Picasso.

If the quality of an artist/entertainer;s work slips, what happens next is fans look for other reasons to stick around or devote fandom elsewhere. it's human nature.

 
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:43 PM   #238
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poots fails to make any impression at the general chat board so now has moved to the pumpkins one

you sound like a gen boarder

 
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So if the music were good then you'd still listen to it and overlook his being on alex jones and supporting trump?
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Not really praising Trump, but defending him and attacking the media.
If you have money, you call an escort service, not hookers...

 
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