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Old 03-16-2006, 12:02 AM   #1
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Default the Rockpalast persuation *UPDATE: DVD Added*

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Crystallization - DVB Pumpkins
==================================

This might just be the only disc of it's kind.
It contains lossless audio AND video Pumpkins,
which remains something of a rarity to this day.

Though the quality vary between the clips, it represents
the best available source, at least as of yet, for each one of them.
They are by all but stringent academic standards identical to the respective
broadcasts sent out in the first place.

But this is not enough.
Loads of greatness awaits, most any Pro Video would've had or could've had
a source broadcast just as great, wasted on vhs or dvdrecorders.

Do you want more?
The Rockpalast clip comes from a complete concert that has been
aired at least once a year 1996-2001, but never since.
The people responsible for the broadcasts are likely Pumpkins fans,
and regardless in many aspects unique in the way they allow feedback
from their audience to influence their programming.

Please make the (trivial) effort of requesting the complete concert.
Rockpalast will almost certainly heed to the call if a few hundred,
heck, a few ten, would contact them.

E-mail: rockpalast@wdr.de
Telefon: 0180-5678 009 (12 Cent/Min, Mon-Fri 15:00-19:00)
Snailmail: WDR Rockpalast - Info-Line - 50600 Köln
www.rockpalast.de also has a newsletter, join that, and a guestbook, post there!

A few select phrases of German:
German:
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[1] "Konnten Sie das Konzert 'the Smashing Pumpkins' von 1996 bitte zeigen?
Ich sah 'Today' vor kurzem und es war Super!"
[2] "Zeigen Sie bitte dem Konzert 'the Smashing Pumpkins' von 1996!"
[3] "Mehr Smashing Pumpkins bitte!"
[4] "er Clip der Smashing Pumpkins war groß. Mehr von diesem Rockpalast!"

English:
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[1] "Could you show the concert 'the Smashing Pumpkins' from 1996 please?
I saw 'Today' recently and it was super!"
[2] "Please show the concert 'the Smashing Pumpkins' from 1996!"
[3] "More Smashing Pumpkins please!"
[4] "the Smashing Pumpkins clip was great. More of that Rockpalast!"

These, combined with some limited linguistic wit, and babelfish,
should make your requests legible enough.

I will continue to record any DVB Pumpkins I can get my hands on,
but this would be quite a big thing. Equally so, any effort taken
by the community towards this would signal praise and motivation to my ongoing pursuit.

If these little dvds I post means something to people,
then surely this concert, yet to be recorded, means something too?
How much? Does the immense tremble and effort of communicating some lines
in German really surpass the joy you would feel, had you that concert right now?

You decide.

Peace,
/Per

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Specs
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Linage on all is DVB-s > DVB(M)

Intimate & Interactive: the Smashing Pumpkins (1998-07-19)
-> video basics: 704*576 @ 25fps @ 0.6735 (4:3) @ 4461600bps
-> avg. nom. bitrate 3719185bps (min/max: 2597200/5148800)
-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 256kbps
00:47:40

David Bowie´s 50th Birthday Concert (1997-01-09)
-> video basics: 544*576 @ 25fps @ 0.6735 (4:3) @ 3500000bps
-> avg. nom. bitrate 3650783bps (min/max: 1431600/7076800)
-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 192kbps
00:10:11

MTV Live: Today (unknown SD-era, 1993-09-xx suggested)
-> video basics: 528*576 @ 25fps @ 0.6735 (4:3) @ 2640400bps
-> avg. nom. bitrate 2480717bps (min/max: 1544800/4648800)
-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 192kbps
00:03:21

Studio Pop: Billy Corgan (2005-04-27)
-> video basics: 720*576 @ 25fps @ 0.6735 (4:3) @ 4585200bps
-> avg. nom. bitrate 4496941bps (min/max: 3237600/5952000)
-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 256kbps
00:09:45

Today at Rockpalast (1996-04-07)
-> video basics: 720*576 @ 25fps @ 0.6735 (4:3) @ 8000000bps
-> avg. nom. bitrate 6327387bps (min/max: 5038400/7692800)
-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 256kbps
00:02:50

Billy Corgan at Letterman: Mina Loy (2005-06-20)
-> video basics: 720*480 @ 29.97fps @ 0.6735 (4:3) @ 7116800bps
-> avg. nom. bitrate 7109151bps (min/max: 5798400/11557200)
-> src_audio: AC-3, CM, 2/0(2.0), dn -31dB, 48000Hz, 192kbps
-> src_audio: MPEG-1, Layer2, 48000Hz, stereo, 256kbps
00:04:20

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Setlist
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To Sheila
Ava Adore
Perfect
-Interview-
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
For Martha
1979
All the Young Dudes
Jean Genie
Today
-Interview-
Today
Mina Loy

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Technical
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Recorded with Hauppauge Nova-S CI, except for MTV Live: Today
and Studio Pop: Billy Corgan, recorded with Nokia 9902s.
Software *******s ProgDVB, DVBPortal, MyTheatre and MediaMex.

All files were checked with ProjectX to assure that no signal loss had occurred.
Furthermore the actual files were checked with Mpeg2repair to ensure their
consistency towards the mpeg2-standard.

I&I was repaired because it had a minor error that would cause a single video glitch
with some players. It now exhibits none of this or any sign whatsoever that would
conject it's perfection. (Check it yourself, "In you I count stars!")

I&I = Star! (Sweden)
Bowie = Onyx (Germany, now defunct.)
Mtv Live = MTV2 (UK)
Studio Pop = SVT1 (Sweden)
Rockpalast = WDR (Germany)
Letterman = CBS Feed (Europe)

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Content
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AUDIO_TS
VIDEO_TS
the Smashing Pumpkins - Crystallization.txt (this file)
.MD5 (regular checksum)
*.PAR2 (advanced checksum that *******s parity bytes, for recovery)

You need to copy the checksum files to the VIDEO_TS dir in order to verify the dvd.
They cannot be placed there when you burn the disc, it would break the dvd-standard.

The par2 files will help you recover from a partially damaged(scratched) disc.
Simply copy everything to HDD and run quickpar with the par2-files.

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MD5
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5c447bc987e7429b5ba82132cd0f18ca *VIDEO_TS.BUP
5c447bc987e7429b5ba82132cd0f18ca *VIDEO_TS.IFO
60f0e4d95c41dce1e98030458c6281aa *VIDEO_TS.VOB
97d05fefe7406ddfe72feacd470b96e3 *VTS_01_0.BUP
97d05fefe7406ddfe72feacd470b96e3 *VTS_01_0.IFO
3e7da084b285dfd8d934487ade5995d8 *VTS_01_0.VOB
3a93dfa0a1c90f1ceac36edcb2f95a92 *VTS_01_1.VOB
4f5c3aae237b9bf84e4e2a1861448415 *VTS_01_2.VOB
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a33db32c63d6a4b67258c2684981f67e *VTS_02_0.IFO
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b18a062268a5719043f5f23f1f58d08a *VTS_02_1.VOB
d9fb68bb7c1ed3190a7277cb8100d853 *VTS_03_0.BUP
d9fb68bb7c1ed3190a7277cb8100d853 *VTS_03_0.IFO
2a8564ed5e57e54ac844de57d346261e *VTS_03_0.VOB
3553772af1d4da59c27a6a291adcd7ab *VTS_03_1.VOB
bef416a10a1c333a8743a27fbcaa4c4b *VTS_04_0.BUP
bef416a10a1c333a8743a27fbcaa4c4b *VTS_04_0.IFO
3713c7f4f321f216f5810c8b6303bcec *VTS_04_0.VOB
c0232aad63db5d345a6462539103ec29 *VTS_04_1.VOB
523479fedde578694b5e3fe82b34db2a *VTS_05_0.BUP
523479fedde578694b5e3fe82b34db2a *VTS_05_0.IFO
84f88717a4d45ccae5fa37944fe9eddd *VTS_05_0.VOB
95fa13dc540f04facd253fa82d5947fc *VTS_05_1.VOB
9339fcc8274610e46cb76859fdefae82 *VTS_06_0.BUP
9339fcc8274610e46cb76859fdefae82 *VTS_06_0.IFO
b1f596f8c4a0abfb6308d0b22eb320e7 *VTS_06_0.VOB
700da4f955d65c8dea555c8cbbb62e69 *VTS_06_1.VOB
f3fad77e658e835eda79ca41927fcc22 *VTS_07_0.BUP
f3fad77e658e835eda79ca41927fcc22 *VTS_07_0.IFO
a5a9b2788d92f10247df7225d42dc026 *VTS_07_1.VOB

Torrent on Piratebay, Dime, Zomb and Traders Den

Pics:
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Enjoy!

Peace,
/Per

EDIT:
Voting for Zwan here: http://rockpalast.de/wunschnacht2006/
is probably a good idea. It's not Pumpkins, but it's close enough.
And at the end of the day we'd get those in DVB-quality, if nothing more.

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Old 03-16-2006, 12:09 AM   #2
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I love how all germans wipe their hands clean of the holocaust. I think its amazing how much people dont care about jews.

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 12:10 AM   #3
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amazing.. and funny

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 02:22 AM   #4
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[5] "Stoppenze throwenze cuppen."

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 02:57 AM   #5
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:37 AM   #6
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Quote:
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I love how all germans wipe their hands clean of the holocaust.
that's a very sweeping statement and you're being unfair, and are possibly retarded. thank you.

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thanks for the torrent!

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:39 AM   #7
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'bout time some people are on the torrent. also, thanks!

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:53 AM   #8
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*sigh* can someone help a fool out? what software do i need to view this thing?

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:56 AM   #9
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they actually will show the whole thing (or did already) during the "rocknacht anniversary special"...i think i read it on visions

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:05 AM   #10
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*sigh* can someone help a fool out? what software do i need to view this thing?
haven't downloaded this yet, but try drag-and-dropping it to BSPlayer, it should do the trick... at least it's always worked for me for weird extensions
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:12 AM   #11
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sweet, thanks sweetr33

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:24 AM   #12
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ok, that was fucking AWESOME!!! the quality is phenomenal, the performance was cool, camera work nicely done. they all look pretty good, i wanna do some heroin with jimmy. i'd LOVE to see the rest of the show, i'll email those dudes from all the different email addresses i've got. too bad the spfc is down, i wanted to check out what other songs were played that night. i hope here is no why and by starlight, and perhaps porcelina were part of the set!

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:52 AM   #13
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I think Porcelina was part of the set. Its an amazing show. I emailed them anyway. good luck on your quest. Now get posting on other SP boards. this could be an amazing DVD.

 
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i'd LOVE to see the rest of the show,
I have the whole broadcast on dvd, but it's a vhs>vcd>dvd. This is the "naked man" show. And yes, it is quite excellent. I can't wait to see the clip, and hopefully a new fan-made dvd someday. I'll be emailing those Germans for sure.

Thanks Dopamine

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:57 AM   #15
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I love how all germans wipe their hands clean of the holocaust. I think its amazing how much people dont care about jews.
It is even more amazing how jews claim to have been huuuugge victims during WW II (which indeed they were), yet, they repeat the history by being the same to Palestinians, Iranians or by supporting the serbian Milosevic who has done exactly the same things in the region of former Yugoslavia (Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo) 50 years later... Needles to say how quiet they keep as far as Tibet siege by China is considered...
Please, stick to the music and try to avoid politics in this section...

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:05 AM   #16
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Actually, I have written to Rockpalast in the past several times as dar as SP are considered.
Last time I wrote them, they said they'll consider repeating SP again since I claimed it has been a WHILE.

 
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too bad the spfc is down, i wanted to check out what other songs were played that night. i hope here is no why and by starlight, and perhaps porcelina were part of the set!
Pretty sure it's this show...

1996/04/07 - Philipshalle; Duesseldorf, DE

Set:
Tonight, Tonight
Zero
Fuck You
Today
To Forgive
Bullet with Butterfly Wings
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
Disarm
Muzzle
Cherub Rock

Encore:
1979
X.Y.U.

Src Fmt Pos Len Equipment
TV DAT - 75m D8
TV VHS - 75m -

Quote:
Originally Posted by severin
they actually will show the whole thing (or did already) during the "rocknacht anniversary special"...i think i read it on visions
Hopefully they haven't already, or we're able to get it via request
Either way thanks for sharing this Dopamine

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:20 AM   #18
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Quote:
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they actually will show the whole thing (or did already) during the "rocknacht anniversary special"...i think i read it on visions
Please elaborate.
Are you talking about the "best of rocknight, 15 years"?
Because that´s where this came from.
It was 1 song per band only.

btw, here´s more info, + setlist:
Code:
01 Tonight, Tonight 
02 Zero 
03 Fuck You (Ode To No One) 
04 Today 
05 To Forgive 
06 Bullet With Butterfly Wings 
07 Ruby 
08 Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans 
09 Disarm 
10 Muzzle 
11 Cherub Rock 
12 1979 
13 X.Y.U.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:40 AM   #19
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Cool. I'm going to Cologna soon for an interview with the founding producer of Rockpalast, it's apparently a great show. I'll ask him what he knows about this show.

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:53 AM   #20
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First of all, thanks for the torrent!
I guess what Severin is referring to was in January 2005 where viewers could vote for complete shows. Unfortunately the Pumpkins didn`t make it.
It will definitely impress them if they get loads of eMails go ahead.
But I`m not sure if they have the rights to show the material as often as they want without permission.

I know that they took the Pumpkins show into consideration for a release on DVD - the Rockpalast already released some DVDs of their early shows in the 1970`s - 1980`s.
All I know is that they didn`t get the permission from the Pumpkins or whoever has the rights on the material to release the Pumpkins 1996 Rockpalast show on DVD and I don`t know if they also need the rights to air the live show on TV whenever they want.
But sending requests is a good thing.

By the way, the reason that you can`t vote for the Pumpkins show now is that it wasn`t an Open Air Festival...

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:05 AM   #21
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Cool. I'm going to Cologna soon for an interview with the founding producer of Rockpalast, it's apparently a great show. I'll ask him what he knows about this show.
Peter Rüchel? He`s a great guy and he likes the Pumpkins.
I gave him some of the early Zwan live shows during a show where they showed requests of viewers. Among those was also Today from the Pumpkins.
To every request you could send a person whom you dedicate the song to. My roommate requested Thru the eyes of ruby and dedicated it to me for the great time s we had travelling through Europe to see the Pumpkins. A few days later the guys from the Rockpalast asked me if I wanted to come to the TV station and do a live interview during the show about Zwan. That was early 2002 when no one knew very much about Zwan.
He told me that he really likes the Pumpkins and that he saw them at the Melkweg in 95 as far as I can remember.
He was also very amused about the naked man - the guy from Chumbawamba and asked him after the show why he ran on stage. The naked man was just pissed off that the Pumpkins got so much attention and his crappy band didn`t.

If you want someone to show you Cologne or some good pubs drop me a PM

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:23 AM   #22
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Wow that was pretty nice quality you can see Corgan's head stubble

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:27 AM   #23
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THX for the torrent.

email just sent.

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:13 AM   #24
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The TTEOR outro is the awesome at this concert. Also, another funny moment is the interview at the end.

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:26 AM   #25
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Quote:
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Peter Rüchel? He`s a great guy and he likes the Pumpkins.
I gave him some of the early Zwan live shows during a show where they showed requests of viewers. Among those was also Today from the Pumpkins.
To every request you could send a person whom you dedicate the song to. My roommate requested Thru the eyes of ruby and dedicated it to me for the great time s we had travelling through Europe to see the Pumpkins. A few days later the guys from the Rockpalast asked me if I wanted to come to the TV station and do a live interview during the show about Zwan. That was early 2002 when no one knew very much about Zwan.
He told me that he really likes the Pumpkins and that he saw them at the Melkweg in 95 as far as I can remember.
He was also very amused about the naked man - the guy from Chumbawamba and asked him after the show why he ran on stage. The naked man was just pissed off that the Pumpkins got so much attention and his crappy band didn`t.

If you want someone to show you Cologne or some good pubs drop me a PM
Haha, great. Thanks. When a date is set, i'll let you know if i have time.

 
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But I`m not sure if they have the rights to show the material as often as they want without permission.

I know that they took the Pumpkins show into consideration for a release on DVD - the Rockpalast already released some DVDs of their early shows in the 1970`s - 1980`s.
All I know is that they didn`t get the permission from the Pumpkins or whoever has the rights on the material to release the Pumpkins 1996 Rockpalast show on DVD and I don`t know if they also need the rights to air the live show on TV whenever they want.
But sending requests is a good thing.

By the way, the reason that you can`t vote for the Pumpkins show now is that it wasn`t an Open Air Festival...
Okay.. I´ll remove that portion then.. my German isn´t too hot, so it must´ve slipped by.

You´re absolutely right on the permissions issue.. although permission for a dvd is quite different from broadcast rights.
But that´s out of our hands, we just need to convince them that it´s worth the effort, small or large as it may be =)

Peace,
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Btw, Admins, wouldn´t this make a good sticky?
The influx of passerby´s it would generate to keep it at the first page
would surely serve the cause.

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haha, my bad, and i was just kidding. im not even jewish

 
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I love how all germans wipe their hands clean of the holocaust. I think its amazing how much people dont care about jews.
Germans wipe their hands clean of the holocaust? Is that the reason why they support israel with the highest financial aid worldwide and just build that massive memorial in the centre of berlin? On a site that could have been sold for millions to build some giant shopping mall? And that being said, what exactly makes me, a 24 year old german, more connected to the holocaust than any other person on the planet? Besides, the jews weren't exactly popular in countries like the states or england either. ever read shakespeare with his stereotypical views on jews? As a matter of fact, the USA experience an constant increase in antisemitic incidents every year.
So what the fuck are you talking about?

edit: okay, you were just kidding. even if i don't see what's funny about pretending to be stupid

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 01:36 PM   #29
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If anyone would care to yousendit, those of us behind firewalls would appreciate.

 
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Old 03-16-2006, 01:37 PM   #30
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I love that Rockpalast SP show, XYU was great!! The naked man was something...I didn't know he was part of a band....Well, he gave more attention to the Pumpkins and made the show more memorable. Who was the other guy ("the cousin of the naked man")who was dancing on stage, a random fan?

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