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Old 03-13-2018, 07:08 PM   #1
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Default Is Jeff really the problem?

I mean, he sucks the life out of the melodies, he noodles a lot, and he has no stage presence.


Yeah I guess he's the problem.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:09 PM   #2
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But Corgan does get an honorable point for not being able to sing anymore.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:08 PM   #3
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no, corgan is the problem

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:12 PM   #4
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problem with what, specifically?

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:15 PM   #5
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I opened this thread to say Billy Corgan is the problem

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:24 PM   #6
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The definitive list of problems:

1) totally fine to call it a reunion without darcy, but not to do it in such a foolish, messy, misleading way. Just fucking be up front with your fans. You're diminishing the excitement of James being back by allowing the darcy conversation to take over.

2) total crap songwriting post machina 2, with only a few flickers of the 90s songwriting talent. singing ain't the best either

3) ticket prices

4) ego/attitude/narcissism/entitlement/etc/etc

5) other stuff

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:32 PM   #7
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Jeff would have been there even if D'arcy was the bassist, she told me that for a fact. The only real difference is I doubt he'd be in any of the promotional photos.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:56 PM   #8
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it is now concluded and official: there was no other 90's artist with a more stunning fall (and no other artist, period, i would even argue)

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:59 PM   #9
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it is now concluded and official: there was no other 90's artist with a more stunning fall (and no other artist, period, i would even argue)
of his era maybe, but he's just following the formula of downfall and embarrassment that most of his 60s and 70s rock idols went through. ritchie blackmore plays at renaissance festivals.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:00 PM   #10
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jeff ain't the problem.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:03 PM   #11
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Jeff is certainly part of the problem. He brings no energy to a live performance and he isn't a very creative player. And with James back there's really no need to experiment with a 3-guitar Smashing Pumpkins live attack for the first time in their history.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:05 PM   #12
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Judging by the execution of new ideas from Smashing Pumpkins in the past 10 years, I'd say I'd rather them just stick to what works.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:49 PM   #13
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yes, and Billy and lack of James and D'arcy

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:55 PM   #14
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I blame Monty.

 
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:01 PM   #15
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He sounded good with his band, though. Just like Mike with his

Maybe it's all Billy

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:12 AM   #16
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Jeff is making peanuts i'm sure. The original band were making MILLIONS and couldn't keep it going. Jeff sucks in my opinion, but look at it in his eyes. Do any of you go into work enthusiastically? I'm sure it's always a nightmare to work with Billy.

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:22 AM   #17
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Why went Jeff from Chicago to L.A.?
Doesn't he get enough money from the job in the band that he tries to do film music for a better living?

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 03:06 AM   #18
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Honestly, the only real problem I've seen in the last 18 years has been Billy's singing. That whole shaky, terrible vibrato, dropped consonants, and all that. He was never a good singer, but at least it didn't sound like he was trying too hard to sound better than he actually is. He used to sound earnest. Now he sounds embarrassing and annoyingly pretentious. Makes me hate everything else.

If he could just go back to losing the vibrato and shit, I think they'd/he'd be just fine. His guitar playing is still tops. His piano playing is better than it's ever been. And a lot of his riffs and ideas lately are pretty decent. It's just his singing that sucks.

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 03:18 AM   #19
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Honestly, the only real problem I've seen in the last 18 years has been Billy's singing.



 
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:23 AM   #20
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Who the fuck is Jeff?

(t-shirt I would wear if I went to any of the cashgrab 'reunion' nostalgia shows)

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:55 AM   #21
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Rumours say, even Keith Richards has a "Jeff" t-shirt...


 
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:15 AM   #22
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Fact is Billy is a boring old guy with horrible dad taste and Jeffs playing is music to his ears. He's in the band and playing the way he does because thats what Billy wants. Billy would prob get fuckin Reeves Gabrels if he could. the guy probably owns Joe Bonamassa records

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:37 AM   #23
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The real problem is netphoria.

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:37 AM   #24
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(and house of ass)

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:07 AM   #25
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The real problem is netphoria.
This.

NETPHORIAN OPINION IS IRRELEVANT

(T-Shirt I'm going to have made up for Billy)

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:15 AM   #26
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KAHOLE U ARE TEH PROBLEM

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:13 PM   #27
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I like to think so.

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:26 PM   #28
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:00 PM   #29
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Why went Jeff from Chicago to L.A.?
Doesn't he get enough money from the job in the band that he tries to do film music for a better living?
IDK about Jeff's motivations, but Nicole thinks she got the boot because she had another music project on the side, despite SP being her primary commitment. Jeff gets a pass?

 
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Old 03-14-2018, 03:44 PM   #30
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jeff apparently doesn't steal the limelight from corgan.

also, since living in the music world is not all about making money, i doubt that jeff would be content with not having his own creative projects and just doing old bill's bidding.

 
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