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Old 05-04-2020, 03:12 PM   #31
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I feel like nobody ever talks about "The night has come to hold us young" part of Ruby which to me is the best part of the song. Both songs are peak SP regardless

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 03:19 PM   #32
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people always talk about that song Unicycle, always - are you out of your fucking mind?

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 03:23 PM   #33
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But that specific PART of the song? I am inside my fucking mind, man, believe me. Maybe I'm untroo, sorry Bill

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 03:47 PM   #34
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I feel like nobody ever talks about "The night has come to hold us young" part of Ruby which to me is the best part of the song. Both songs are peak SP regardless
the ending of Ruby is unbelievable. that last line when he's like THE NIGHT HAS COME TO HOLD. US. YOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNGNNGNGNGNGGNGNGNNGNGNGNGNGNGNG NGNGNGNG

over the wailing guitars shit man now I have to listen to it right now.

also then it goes into the MCIS theme outro which is one of the best outros on any SP song

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 03:48 PM   #35
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Ruby for sure ends stronger than Porcelina

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 04:18 PM   #36
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Ruby def better, god tier SP. Love the phased dreamy verses, the lyrics, the huge fucking wall of guitars... it's brilliant

Night has come part is great!

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 04:38 PM   #37
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Ruby for sure ends stronger than Porcelina
"Its the not the Destination, It's the journey."

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 04:59 PM   #38
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also then it goes into the MCIS theme outro which is one of the best outros on any SP song
imagine if the outro was the live mcis one with jamez and billy trading solos and then the main riff comes back in heavy as fuck ...

WE WOULND"T BE HAVING THIS CONVO

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 05:09 PM   #39
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Love him or hate him, Billy was all about taking artistic risk's
And it payed of massively with Mellon Collie and the box set.
So this guy is fuzzy, right?

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 05:10 PM   #40
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Or am I taking too many risk's with my guessing?

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 05:22 PM   #41
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Fuzzy and Monte live within all of us.

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 05:24 PM   #42
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Also, Fuzzy would probably say, "yeah, those are good songs… if you like gay Elton John shit. How about 'Zero,' though?"

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 05:24 PM   #43
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"Its the not the Destination, It's the journey."
that's why overall I pick Porcelina

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imagine if the outro was the live mcis one with jamez and billy trading solos and then the main riff comes back in heavy as fuck ...

WE WOULND"T BE HAVING THIS CONVO
I actually love the quiet version for the album. It was always one of my favorite moments from the very first times I listened to MCIS

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So this guy is fuzzy, right?
*puts on spectacles and takes a closer look*

by george! traces of fuzz have been detected. let's bag this up and send it to the lab for analysis

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 05:24 PM   #44
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I am unable to take sides, having no recollection of when I last actually heard either song, but regarding Ruby:
  • In high school I had a crush on someone who didn't return my affections, and the whole "If you spin your love around" chorus just, like, I was so sure it deeply resonated, even though I barely understood my proto-feelings or honestly even the lyrics? You know???
  • I can't articulate why, but the way the "but no one's asking for the truth, so let me tell you" flows right into the chorus is one of my favorite moments of the whole album

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 06:20 PM   #45
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the ending of Ruby is unbelievable. that last line when he's like THE NIGHT HAS COME TO HOLD. US. YOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNGNNGNGNGNGGNGNGNNGNGNGNGNGNGNG NGNGNGNG

over the wailing guitars shit man now I have to listen to it right now.

also then it goes into the MCIS theme outro which is one of the best outros on any SP song
this is perhaps admitting a bit of untroo-ness, but I only recently noticed that during the "night has come" bit when the guitars in the right channel do the classic SP octave slide-up, the guitars in the left channel do a fuckkin' dive bomb (perhaps a "behind-the-nut" bend, a la hummer)

it was a pleasant discovery

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 06:38 PM   #46
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this is perhaps admitting a bit of untroo-ness, but I only recently noticed that during the "night has come" bit when the guitars in the right channel do the classic SP octave slide-up, the guitars in the left channel do a fuckkin' dive bomb (perhaps a "behind-the-nut" bend, a la hummer)

it was a pleasant discovery
I will have to check this out. There are way too many dynamic guitar moments on that album to remember every one

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 06:46 PM   #47
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I actually love the quiet version for the album. It was always one of my favorite moments from the very first times I listened to MCIS
it's a tacked-on, too-short, faded-out interlude that manages to be simultaneously mournful, hopeful, beautiful, dark. it's a perfect encapsulation of the themes of the album and the mythos of the band in that moment. now it evokes nostalgia for me, but at the time, it was key in terms of creating the "experience" that was our beloved Golden Era.

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 06:51 PM   #48
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Old 05-04-2020, 09:40 PM   #49
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Fucking Siamese Zombies stuck in the pass. Why don't we talk about how great "Knights of Malta" is for a change? That part where he goes "Woah Woah Woah Woah Woah," if you listen closely, underneath the final "Woah," Corgan is softly singing "wow."

Wow.

 
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Old 05-04-2020, 09:43 PM   #50
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My phone automatically capitalizes the 'w' is "Woah."

It knows that when Corgan sings it, it is a proper noun. Because he's singing the very platonic form of Woah. He am become Woah. Woah is Corgan.

Beautiful.

 
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Old 05-05-2020, 11:59 AM   #51
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Old 05-05-2020, 12:48 PM   #52
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Lol nice one Joey

 
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Old 05-05-2020, 12:49 PM   #53
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thanks

i will never not embed it when the sacred song is brought up

 
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:09 PM   #54
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i'm honestly frightened he thought the woahs in the studio were a good idea

what show is the second clip from @joey?

 
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:10 PM   #55
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I will have to check this out. There are way too many dynamic guitar moments on that album to remember every one
excuses, schmexcuses!

 
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Old 05-05-2020, 04:51 PM   #56
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Instead of using "Bullet" for the Final Fantasy remake, they should have used "Knights" for the Crash Bandicoot remaster.




 
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Old 05-06-2020, 09:25 AM   #57
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critically ruby is a better, stronger, lyrically, structually,

but porcelina has a feeling of surreal bliss that is unmatched.

the surreal bliss wins for me because it's unmatched anywhere anywhere else. All the strong points of Ruby are elements comparably found in other songs except for what I consider "rush like complexity" (rush the band). It's not an element I'm too fond of 0 I'm not a rush fan.

for me it's been and will always be Porcelina wins every time.

 
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:37 AM   #58
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i agree about the unique bliss of porcelina. very 'i wanna do drugs to this' vibe

 
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Old 05-06-2020, 12:20 PM   #59
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sure, ruby may have delicious swirling verses, but does it have a left channel guitar/drum, right channel synth/tikki beatz HARD SPLIT?

no. no it does not.

 
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Old 05-07-2020, 12:24 PM   #60
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how about shellac though

 
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