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11-14-2014, 07:20 PM | #31 |
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I will probably listen to everything SP/Billy puts out, at least a few times. Except for a few moments, I don't particularly care for Oceania. But that won't stop me from giving him a fresh chance each time. I don't think it's too uncommon for artists or bands to have a decade or two of stagnation, and come out with some brilliant out of nowhere. It can happen.
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11-14-2014, 08:05 PM | #32 |
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I will be around forever. I want to know how Billy's story will end.
Independently of the quality of the music he will release in the future. And I believe he will do good music again when he gets in with other project different from SP. |
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11-14-2014, 08:44 PM | #33 |
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its funny all these people who think Billys gonna somehow give them something that compares with MCIS. No artist every has been able to do that. John Lennon and Paul McCartney etc. dont get abuse because they couldnt recreate what they gave to people. Name your fucking band, No artist ever is able to reproduce the feeling they were able when they were 25.
Billy is 46 (?) years old, and you still expect he's going to give you something thats going to set your life in fire. Grow up. The hate billy gets for not being what he was twenty years ago is unrealistic and childish. He was and is a great artist who has given us countless songs we will all cherish until the day we die. He's doing the best he can in his current circumstances, if you dont like it, fuck off. At least he's still forging ahead despite his many faults. He has made alot of mistakes musically particularly in the last few years but his talent is still evident so i will most certainly be sticking around listening out for that. |
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11-14-2014, 10:16 PM | #34 | |
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11-14-2014, 10:16 PM | #35 |
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I think the Flaming Lips have been pretty consistent for 20 years. Sure they have had some lulls - during the 2000s, and their really rough garage days in the 80s and early 90s. 1999's The Soft Bulletin was a peak for them, but I think they had another peak with 2009's Embryonic in a more experimental moody direction than their polished for-the-masses stuff in the 2000s.
I like how they've been sort of playing around over the last several years with crazy collaborations, cover albums (Dark Side of the Moon and Sgt. Pepper's) and side projects. I could see Billy being more excited and engaged if he played around with collaborations, experimental albums, side projects and stuff like that. We've maybe seen some of that with Ravinia and Aegea. I don't think The Flaming Lips have a Howard in their studio telling them to reign in all the weirdo, psychedelic, experimental, crazy stuff they do. I think Billy's trying to indulge his more experimental side (Siddhartha and Aegea), but he's keeping things polarized, whereas The Lips lump it all together. The Lips seem to be realizing some revenue too. I was reading on Quora the other day about the music business. There is a great answer (see link at end of post) about where the money is in the music business. It seems to be in early and pre-teens, since late teens through mid-30s don't buy much music because they get it free on the internet and the older demographic doesn't buy much new music because they focus on their old favorites. I've also heard there's money in higher end products for super-fans, touring especially internationally. I see Billy going after a few angles here with merchandise for super fans (I know, I know about the tea, there could be improvement), an album that skews young and mainstream, international touring, . . . I love The Pumpkins live more than any other aspect of the band. That's where they really shine. Sometimes I think most people don't know what The Pumpkins are like live and if they knew, The Pumpkins would be more popular. It's as if the strongest side of the band is hidden except to those choose to go to shows (on the basis of albums I presume most of the time). Maybe he should do more promoted concerts like AOL and Guitar Center shows. The Flaming Lips are in a pretty good spot, and I hope Billy finds his happy (and musically productive) groove as The Flaming Lips seem to have after over 30 years as a band. http://www.quora.com/Is-rock-and-rol...wer/Tom-Higley |
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11-15-2014, 12:46 AM | #36 |
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I am all-in on the Bill experience. I love the ups/downs the crazy interviews, band member rotations, bizarre styling choices, ultra weight gain/loss.
It's entertaining and has a cool connection to my youth. Once in a while Bill puts out some great stuff and it's enjoyable. Sometimes there is a stinker but I just skip it and don't get all worked up over it. I do miss JC tho. |
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11-15-2014, 01:01 AM | #37 |
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big ol titties is correct
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11-15-2014, 03:44 AM | #38 |
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I kindof like the new album. It sounds like Billy. Oceania was pure crap. This sounds like 40+ year old Billy. Ya, his drummer sucks ultimate ass, but I think he just said "fuck it" and did what he could. Big guitars, decent hooks, etc. I liked Zeitgiest despite Billy trying to "sing". His voice is really not great. He needs to go back to schreeching. I give him credit for trying to sing. He can't go back to 1994. That's over. It's like Paul or Ringo after the Beatles. Except they did it it 1-2 years later, not 15. Regardless, I like it. I haven't liked anything since Zeitgeist. I saw the "Pumpkins" on the Oceania tour...Annberlin outdid them. I think with this album, they might have something.
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11-15-2014, 11:43 AM | #39 |
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11-15-2014, 03:34 PM | #40 |
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11-15-2014, 05:06 PM | #41 |
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Great thread.
Even though I have mixed feelings about a lot of the material since 2000, I still have enjoyed the ride and the ups and downs, and there are definitely standout songs that will stay with me, and great concert experiences (particularly in 08, 11, and 14 - Ravinia), and even a few chance encounters with band members (billy, jimmy, mike, nicole)... for me it's been a great time to continue being a fan even if its become more of a personal thing as most of my friends have moved on, and they are not well known as a current band. |
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11-15-2014, 05:10 PM | #42 |
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and a lot of people complain that billy is phoning in his music and i completely disagree. even his lame tracks from the last few years still have some urgency and some attempt to do something new. But I do agree that the magic of the 92-96 era is long gone.
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11-15-2014, 05:10 PM | #43 |
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At this point if you're still following Billy you're following him for life I would think
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11-15-2014, 08:49 PM | #44 |
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11-15-2014, 09:00 PM | #45 |
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right i feel like it would be kinda like all the fairweather fans who abandoned the red sox for however many years then rushed back to the stands after they started winning games/got the world series
if you actively chose to never pay attention to him or his work again i mean gradually losing interest is another thing, pretty much |
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11-15-2014, 09:10 PM | #46 | |
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11-16-2014, 11:46 AM | #47 | |
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Id agree with Elphenor, if you're still here now having endured Teargarden, you're in it for the long haul. Wondering if the 40's is a particularly uninspired decade for writers. Seems to me like a lot of great artists suffer particularly in there for 40's only to come back stronger in their later years if they persist (Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Neil Young). Can anyone think of an artist where their 40's represented a good decade for them creatively? I would argue that compared to many of his peers at his age, Billy's output now (while diminished), is quite impressive. Also love the Flaming Lips but I think they've had a major dip in form ever since Yoshimi. Clouds Taste Metallic / Soft Bulletin was when they were at their peak (Evil will Prevail probably my favourite track of theirs). Any songs of theirs in recent years that stand up to that material? Would appreciate any suggestions. I'm being lazy asking but I don't have the patience to wade through their experimental stuff which im not really into. |
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11-16-2014, 11:47 AM | #48 | |
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Id agree with Elphenor, if you're still here now having endured Teargarden, you're in it for the long haul. Wondering if the 40's is a particularly uninspired decade for writers. Seems to me like a lot of great artists suffer particularly in there for 40's only to come back stronger in their later years if they persist (Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Neil Young). Can anyone think of an artist where their 40's represented a good decade for them creatively? I would argue that compared to many of his peers at his age, Billy's output now (while diminished), is quite impressive, and im pretty optimistic that we'll get some great music from him again in his later years. Also love the Flaming Lips but I think they've had a major dip in form ever since Yoshimi. Clouds Taste Metallic / Soft Bulletin was when they were at their peak (Evil will Prevail probably my favourite track of theirs). Any songs of theirs in recent years that stand up to that material? Would appreciate any suggestions. I'm being lazy asking but I don't have the patience to wade through their experimental stuff which im not really into. |
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11-16-2014, 11:55 AM | #49 | |
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He'd agree with Elphenor, if you're still here now having endured Teargarden, you're in it for the long haul. Wondering if the 40's is a particularly uninspired decade for writers. Seems to titties like a lot of great artists suffer particularly in there for 40's only to come back stronger in their later years if they persist (Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Neil Young). Can anyone think of an artist where their 40's represented a good decade for them creatively? He (titties) would argue that compared to many of his peers at his age, Billy's output now (while diminished), is quite impressive, and he's pretty optimistic that we'll get some great music from him again in his later years. Bigoltitties also loves the Flaming Lips but he thinks they've had a major dip in form ever since Yoshimi. Clouds Taste Metallic / Soft Bulletin was when they were at their peak (Evil will Prevail probably his favourite track of theirs). Any songs of theirs in recent years that stand up to that material? Would appreciate any suggestions. He's being lazy asking but he doesn't have the patience to wade through their experimental stuff which he's not really into. |
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11-16-2014, 01:36 PM | #50 |
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Out of all Corgan's contemporaries, I think only Trent Reznor has fared better. NIN has been consistently high quality and still "feels" like NIN. Of course, it's easier when it's always been more clearly a solo act as opposed to the band that Smashing Pumpkins used to be. And Reznor is certainly a less ambitious songwriter.
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11-16-2014, 01:38 PM | #51 |
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Flaming Lips aren't worth comparing because they have always been comfortable with being a more or less underground band. SP has always been about trying to thread the needle of being somehow subversive and original while also getting on the charts.
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11-16-2014, 03:39 PM | #53 |
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If you look at DAvid Bowie or Robert Smith, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who likes 4:13 Dream over Disintegration or Pornography, or The Next Day over Scary Monster or Ziggy, but those albums at least seem ingenuous.
The exception would be The Cure's self-titled album, which is Robert's Zeitgeist. |
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11-16-2014, 04:59 PM | #54 |
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i fucking love the cure s/t
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11-16-2014, 05:07 PM | #55 |
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I only just realised that the English of the title of this thread is broken.
apology for poor english when were you when john lenin dies? i was sat at home eating smegma butter when pjotr ring 'john is kill' 'no' |
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11-16-2014, 06:12 PM | #56 |
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speaking of cure s/t, if you've only heard the N.A. version, this is the "proper" closing track and hot damn a track it is indeed...
to quote youtube commenter pazzo linus, "so sad! too much? A part of the true." actually it looks like the japanese version alone has 2 other additional tracks to what the north american release had, in addition to this one... interspersed with the album as well (vs. just tacked on at the end) got damn that looks like the version to get |
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11-17-2014, 01:58 AM | #57 |
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Someone should start a Cure appreciation thread. Is there one already?
Honestly, how do you know that Billy (er, um, I mean William) is being disingenuous? Do you have some sort of direct feed into his head? I mean, the whole notion of judging an artist based on whether they actually really truly feel what they're conveying is sort of pointless anyway. Do you think he feels like a rat in a cage every fuckin night he sings that song? No, but he's gonna do his job and make you feel that he is. Anyway, sayin all that, I really do think that MTAE is a genuine accurate reflection of where he's at, musically, artistically, as a human person, whatever. If it seems too safe, or benign, or beige, then maybe that's just how he's feeling. |
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11-17-2014, 02:00 AM | #58 |
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And I like Scary Monsters.
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11-17-2014, 02:22 AM | #59 |
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Yes a Cure thread already exists
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11-17-2014, 02:46 AM | #60 |
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surprisingly, last i checked, it was actually still involving conversations about the cure!
obviously we can't have any of that |
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