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08-10-2017, 08:46 AM | #181 |
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08-10-2017, 09:37 AM | #182 |
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08-10-2017, 09:38 AM | #183 |
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South Park did the same joke as the Louis ck bit but it worked better because you know, they're children
It still wasn't great Last edited by Eulogy : 08-10-2017 at 09:46 AM. |
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08-10-2017, 09:47 AM | #184 |
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Farts and bowel movements deserved the stigma attached to them
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08-10-2017, 01:29 PM | #185 |
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I was working with kids for a while and they would use the word gay as an insult pretty much constantly. Anytime I tried to discuss it with them they would give a less thought out version of the same justification Louis or South Park used. Take that to mean what you will
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08-10-2017, 01:46 PM | #186 |
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It's toxic culture
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08-10-2017, 01:49 PM | #187 |
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Some Seinfeld money goes to Steve bannon
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08-10-2017, 03:31 PM | #188 | |
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I'm pretty sure that the sort of people who object to jokes that punch down on gay people also object to jokes that punch down on fat people. |
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08-10-2017, 11:35 PM | #189 | ||
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He was reflecting on his own experience using the word, and how - as someone who is not anti-gay, and who doesn't believe being gay is a bad thing - he used it in a situation where somebody gave him the shits, and how ironic it is that you could be totally ok with someone being gay but still have a need for a word like faggot as an insult. When I said his intentions are clearer if you watch the whole set, I do believe that to be true. He paints himself as an asshole, a pathetic, weak, selfish asshole - so there's no way he's saying that he doesn't think the word faggot is bad, so why don't we all just use it. He's just talking about his own experiences a a flawed individual. Quote:
I only mentioned that because I wanted Eulogy to know that I do understand how shitty it feels when people take a joke the wrong way - basically as an excuse to be wilfully ignorant and unkind - because as a class of person, I'm also marginalised and bear the brunt of a lot of jokes. |
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08-10-2017, 11:50 PM | #190 |
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Is obesity sufficiently analogous to homosexuality, though?
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08-11-2017, 12:09 AM | #191 |
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Wow vixnix you really want to be able to laugh at lazy faggot jokes.
Just trust me on this one maybe ? |
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08-11-2017, 12:10 AM | #192 |
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Louis ck is a fairly lightly but still overweight man.
He's not kind of gay. |
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08-11-2017, 12:11 AM | #193 |
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And to insinuate that I took his joke the wrong way is insulting. It's. A. Bad. Joke.
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08-11-2017, 12:13 AM | #194 |
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"So it doesn't actually refer to gay guys" was the whole point of the bit. Why are you choosing this hill to die on?????
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08-11-2017, 12:14 AM | #195 |
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08-11-2017, 12:24 AM | #196 |
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thanks vixnix for providing a belabored explanation of the premise of that joke.
i didn't mean gay as in "gay" i meant gay as in "lame". stop being such a sissy pussy faggot and learn to take a joke. i love gay people (no homo). |
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08-11-2017, 12:24 AM | #197 |
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"I'm a pathetic weak selfish asshole but at least I'm not a faggot."
Even he doesn't defend this. I'm so confused as to why you are. |
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08-11-2017, 12:30 AM | #198 |
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I don't want to die on this hill. But have you watched the bit? Have you watched that entire show?
To make as good a living as he has, out of comedy, there is no room for lazy jokes. He toured with that joke and told it in like 20 places maybe? It's completely scripted, start to finish. The pitch of his voice, the inflection, the hand movements, it's all scripted and practiced so it's repeatable. It's a good bit and it gets a laugh from a pro-queer audience member like me because it's not anti gay. Which stand ups do you like? Do you have any Favourite bits? I don't want to insinuate that you took the joke the wrong way. There is no right or wrong way to take a joke. But I'm asking you to consider the possibility that he can tell the joke and I can laugh at it without either of us thinking being gay is funny - without that being part of the joke. |
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08-11-2017, 12:32 AM | #199 |
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Have you watched the bit? It isn't anything like this. He actually explains why he used it as a kid, why he doesn't now, and why he misses using it.
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08-11-2017, 12:33 AM | #200 |
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08-11-2017, 12:36 AM | #201 |
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this argument died on a hill long ago
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08-11-2017, 12:36 AM | #202 |
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08-11-2017, 12:38 AM | #203 |
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"let me tell you why you're wrong to be offended by a joke that has literally played a role in your literal oppression"
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08-11-2017, 12:38 AM | #204 |
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I've watched the bit dozens of times and have heard people defend it dozens more.
Again, the man himself has disavowed it! It is anti gay and it's irresponsible. You don't hear the joke that way because you're not a faggot. Again, consider taking my word for this one. Please. We have all laughed at things we shouldn't have. Doesn't mean it deserves a defense. As for stand up? Most of it is bad. I like mike birbiglia. |
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08-11-2017, 12:39 AM | #205 |
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08-11-2017, 12:41 AM | #206 |
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So you're an 'LBGT ally' evaluator now. If you'll just point me to the correct page in the rule book we can examine the phrasing of that particular stipulation together
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08-11-2017, 12:41 AM | #207 |
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08-11-2017, 12:43 AM | #208 |
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I'm not going to tell a black person they're wrong for how they react to a white comedian basing a bit on the word nigger
I imagine that makes sense to you. Why doesn't this? |
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08-11-2017, 12:43 AM | #209 |
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08-11-2017, 12:44 AM | #210 |
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Just saying I'm an ally of black people doesn't make it ok. That's obvious, yes?
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