Billy on INFOWARS again today

[Rider]

ahh a bunch of straight men who never go outside arguing gender issues.

got to love the internet.

[NovaFritz]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-crusader.html

How the Smashing Pumpkins’ Billy Corgan Became an SJW-Hating Conservative Crusader

[T&T]

i hate articles that quote popular lyrics like that. ugh.

[grape]

Originally Posted by Woody

"If I was a parent or, say my niece/nephews"... Did Bill deliberately fail to acknowledge lil Augustus here?

Just listened to the interview. No, he didn't fail to acknowledge anything. He was talking hypothetically as a different person.

[VoxUpDoc]

What alarms/amuses me with the kind of stuff ninsp is saying and this new alt-right culture movement is that they're taking the victim stance, claiming the expression of hard-right, racist, misogynist and homophobic viewpoints, often directed aggressively and abusively at individuals, is a freedom of speech issue, and that anyone who has a problem with them expressing these views is an "SJW", which is just another way of directing abuse at their detractors, and intimidating them into silence, the actual freedom of speech issue here.

Take #triggering as an example: "LOL I posted something vile, and you responded but haha it was just a trick to #trigger you!"... That's some ass-backwards Dumb and Dumber logic.

I was born in the 80's, and in the UK our media put a huge amount of effort into raising a generation to understand these kinds of prejudice viewpoints were wrong, not a matter of political persuasion. That's not leftie or SJW thing, it's common fucking decency thing in a society that had struggled for decades with people losing their lives over this sort of discrimination. And in the 90's, disillusioned teens who listened to Nirvana and SP did so because they felt like outsiders, or they were victims of prejudice in some form or other. That was literally the target audience for SP: "making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel", so to see Corgan turn out like this is tragic.

But the other alarming thing is the way this alt-right is being legitimised, in social media circles, (and they've hijacked a huge swathe of videogamers), with the message that those old prejudices are actually ok. They're a respectable way to view the world. That being a bully, is personal strength, and anyone who stands up to you, is an SJW.

Are you a sad lonely nerd at a computer who can't get a girlfriend? Well let Brietbart and Milo help you hate women, here's the evidence why you should, and all those people telling you prejudice is abusive or hurtful... they're "SJW's", they're pussies, they're just white knights trying to get laid.

If Bully Corgan wants to objectify, leer and invade the personal space of every female interviewee, because rock stars get laid, then why shouldn't he? If he wants to racially-abuse someone, why shouldn't he? If he nearly banged a transvestite but got cold feet, why shouldn't he publically humiliate that person? If you ask him to play a hit, why shouldn't he tell you to fuck off? If you climb on stage with him, why shouldn't he threaten to physically assault you? Touch his water? Lawsuit. Listen to leaked demos? Lawsuit. Etc. etc. Then claim to be the victim. No real surprise Corgan chose to affiliate himself with the political movement that best reflects his personality.

[bright_doom]

Originally Posted by christian zombie vampires

I have a couple friends that have become massive infowars fans and i enjoy debating with them. I really want to try and give them all points for at least being independent and correctly recognizing the flaws in the news networks and major parties, and identifying real threats like globalization, economic elitism and the military industrial complex.

What bothers me is that at least half of the stuff they say is absolutely in agreement with bernie sanders and progressives. They’re literally worried and concerned about the exact same things. And then all that positive critical thought and open mindedness hits a wall when they hear the word socialist. thinking bernie wants to shut down free speech and is even remotely informed by Mao is pretty much the same as being convinced obama is muslim.

What this all made me realize is knowing what we know about billy’s personality really seems to explain the IW crowd. Contrarians who desperately want to identify as outsiders and perpetually misunderstood underdogs, who would rather drop dead that admit they have things in common with all the other like-minded groups who could really use their support. people who probably have trouble with success or collaborating or long term relationships.

Case in point: they’re not totally wrong about social justice warriors. But look how happy and charged they are to be arguably right about the one controversial sorta un-PC issue that will never affect their lives. So brave for standing up to those feminist oppressors! Meanwhile trump incites violence and hates libel laws, but he’s not a censored shill. And when it comes to climate change, the thought of actually agreeing or working together with scientists, liberals or the UN would shatter their identity. So they have to make shit up and dwell on anything that could be wrong. It has to be us against everyone else, forever. Too independent for the independents. The only solution is to keep identifying other people’s problems.

From what i’ve seen a lot of these folks rant about globalists but can’t even imagine a world without shitty fast food drive thrus and credit cards and walmart prices. Someone who shops at the farmers market, cooks their own food, doesn’t own a car or eat meat and pays a premium on local products and services is actually helping change things much more. But if they’re a millennial who tweets and doesn’t own a gun they must be another pussy PC shill!

i can't believe i ranted this much but it's really bothered me lately. and i just watched They Live yesterday for the first time, pretty randomly, didn’t even know it was political. I didn’t even realize there were clips from it shown in the billy IW video! It was a crazy hilarious movie with a bunch of awesome moments but hard to enjoy knowing its probably scripture for this crowd

Originally Posted by Woody

What alarms/amuses me with the kind of stuff ninsp is saying and this new alt-right culture movement is that they're taking the victim stance, claiming the expression of hard-right, racist, misogynist and homophobic viewpoints, often directed aggressively and abusively at individuals, is a freedom of speech issue, and that anyone who has a problem with them expressing these views is an "SJW", which is just another way of directing abuse at their detractors, and intimidating them into silence, the actual freedom of speech issue here.

Take #triggering as an example: "LOL I posted something vile, and you responded but haha it was just a trick to #trigger you!"... That's some ass-backwards Dumb and Dumber logic.

I was born in the 80's, and in the UK our media put a huge amount of effort into raising a generation to understand these kinds of prejudice viewpoints were wrong, not a matter of political persuasion. That's not leftie or SJW thing, it's common fucking decency thing in a society that had struggled for decades with people losing their lives over this sort of discrimination. And in the 90's, disillusioned teens who listened to Nirvana and SP did so because they felt like outsiders, or they were victims of prejudice in some form or other. That was literally the target audience for SP: "making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel", so to see Corgan turn out like this is tragic.

But the other alarming thing is the way this alt-right is being legitimised, in social media circles, (and they've hijacked a huge swathe of videogamers), with the message that those old prejudices are actually ok. They're a respectable way to view the world. That being a bully, is personal strength, and anyone who stands up to you, is an SJW.

Are you a sad lonely nerd at a computer who can't get a girlfriend? Well let Brietbart and Milo help you hate women, here's the evidence why you should, and all those people telling you prejudice is abusive or hurtful... they're "SJW's", they're pussies, they're just white knights trying to get laid.

If Bully Corgan wants to objectify, leer and invade the personal space of every female interviewee, because rock stars get laid, then why shouldn't he? If he wants to racially-abuse someone, why shouldn't he? If he nearly banged a transvestite but got cold feet, why shouldn't he publically humiliate that person? If you ask him to play a hit, why shouldn't he tell you to fuck off? If you climb on stage with him, why shouldn't he threaten to physically assault you? Touch his water? Lawsuit. Listen to leaked demos? Lawsuit. Etc. etc. Then claim to be the victim. No real surprise Corgan chose to affiliate himself with the political movement that best reflects his personality.

Two fantastic posts,
Well done.

[T&T]

I liked the simple version:
"if you don't want people to call you a racist and sexist, don't say racist or sexist things"

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by grape

Just listened to the interview. No, he didn't fail to acknowledge anything. He was talking hypothetically as a different person.

No way. I watched it too, and he has no children.

[T&T]

Originally Posted by vixnix

No way. I watched it too, and he has no children.

maybe he ate his son?

maybe AJ was stillborn....

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Woody

What alarms/amuses me with the kind of stuff ninsp is saying and this new alt-right culture movement is that they're taking the victim stance, claiming the expression of hard-right, racist, misogynist and homophobic viewpoints, often directed aggressively and abusively at individuals, is a freedom of speech issue, and that anyone who has a problem with them expressing these views is an "SJW", which is just another way of directing abuse at their detractors, and intimidating them into silence, the actual freedom of speech issue here.

Take #triggering as an example: "LOL I posted something vile, and you responded but haha it was just a trick to #trigger you!"... That's some ass-backwards Dumb and Dumber logic.

I was born in the 80's, and in the UK our media put a huge amount of effort into raising a generation to understand these kinds of prejudice viewpoints were wrong, not a matter of political persuasion. That's not leftie or SJW thing, it's common fucking decency thing in a society that had struggled for decades with people losing their lives over this sort of discrimination. And in the 90's, disillusioned teens who listened to Nirvana and SP did so because they felt like outsiders, or they were victims of prejudice in some form or other. That was literally the target audience for SP: "making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel", so to see Corgan turn out like this is tragic.

But the other alarming thing is the way this alt-right is being legitimised, in social media circles, (and they've hijacked a huge swathe of videogamers), with the message that those old prejudices are actually ok. They're a respectable way to view the world. That being a bully, is personal strength, and anyone who stands up to you, is an SJW.

Are you a sad lonely nerd at a computer who can't get a girlfriend? Well let Brietbart and Milo help you hate women, here's the evidence why you should, and all those people telling you prejudice is abusive or hurtful... they're "SJW's", they're pussies, they're just white knights trying to get laid.

If Bully Corgan wants to objectify, leer and invade the personal space of every female interviewee, because rock stars get laid, then why shouldn't he? If he wants to racially-abuse someone, why shouldn't he? If he nearly banged a transvestite but got cold feet, why shouldn't he publically humiliate that person? If you ask him to play a hit, why shouldn't he tell you to fuck off? If you climb on stage with him, why shouldn't he threaten to physically assault you? Touch his water? Lawsuit. Listen to leaked demos? Lawsuit. Etc. etc. Then claim to be the victim. No real surprise Corgan chose to affiliate himself with the political movement that best reflects his personality.

I love how disagreeing with a minority of liberals makes me alt right. Heh heh.

One day y'all will grow up and realize that everyone on your side of social and political issues doesn't have to agree with every single item of agenda in the party.

That's called compromise, and what makes our government kinda work. It doesn't work any longer because GOP thinks everyone has to be a nut job, and every Dem has to be far left. Which is funny when our President is a very moderate left.

[Elphenor]

It doesn't work because of a combination of jerrymandering, outdated forms of representation that give people in isolated rural areas more power, a lack of participation from citizens, and the constant flood of corporate money into campaigns

The "it's because people are partisan" line is complete bullshit

[Rider]

it amazes me no one has figured out that trigglypuff was a plant in the audience.

[redbreegull]

This was already explained to you in another thread recently.

[MyOneAndOnly]

the right as usual is blowing this shit way out of proportion. a few incidents of over zealous activists at a few colleges and they use that to stereotype and bash their enemies.

the right has never liked education, and universities are at the top of that hate list. it's not just because there are bunch of liberals in education (school admins are typically conservative). They use things like this to bash education because educating people typically leads to more citizens that aren't conservative.

to hear artists like bill throw in with people like Trump and other right wing pigs is a whole other issue. he's lost his goddamn mind and he's become a fat old angry white man who is completely divorced from the reality of what 300+ million people in this country have to deal with.

[MyOneAndOnly]

i work with guys like billy. people making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. 45-55 years old. living large. and their biggest fear is some leftist kids in college and a black man as president

fucking assholes!

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

It doesn't work because of a combination of jerrymandering, outdated forms of representation that give people in isolated rural areas more power, a lack of participation from citizens, and the constant flood of corporate money into campaigns

The "it's because people are partisan" line is complete bullshit

Political Science 101 test tomorrow, eh kiddo?

[Elphenor]

Obama actually talked about this recently and gave a surprisingly insightful response:

[Elphenor]

What I say about partisanship though is that the middle ground in a debate is not necessarily reasonable

If one side says "Lets eat all the babies" and the other side says "lets not eat babies" a reasonable position is not "let's eat SOME of the babies"

And when you have a conservative party that is batshit insane off the spectrum, nominating Donald Trump right, there should be no compromise

especially when the vast majority of the country is center left

[slayed23]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

What I say about partisanship though is that the middle ground in a debate is not necessarily reasonable

If one side says "Lets eat all the babies" and the other side says "lets not eat babies" a reasonable position is not "let's eat SOME of the babies"

And when you have a conservative party that is batshit insane off the spectrum, nominating Donald Trump right, there should be no compromise

especially when the vast majority of the country is center left

Atleast Trump is not a crook like Hillary.

[Elphenor]

He's quite the sleeze landlord

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Poots

Still waiting for an actual response on how the people from rural areas are DOMINATING THE GOVERNMENT.

There isn't one. It's more bullshit that they read on HuffPo.

[T&T]

rural votes count more then suburban votes because cities have a higher population density. just look at how they colour election maps and it's self evident.

/s

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by christian zombie vampires

I have a couple friends that have become massive infowars fans and i enjoy debating with them. I really want to try and give them all points for at least being independent and correctly recognizing the flaws in the news networks and major parties, and identifying real threats like globalization, economic elitism and the military industrial complex.

What bothers me is that at least half of the stuff they say is absolutely in agreement with bernie sanders and progressives. They’re literally worried and concerned about the exact same things. And then all that positive critical thought and open mindedness hits a wall when they hear the word socialist. thinking bernie wants to shut down free speech and is even remotely informed by Mao is pretty much the same as being convinced obama is muslim.

What this all made me realize is knowing what we know about billy’s personality really seems to explain the IW crowd. Contrarians who desperately want to identify as outsiders and perpetually misunderstood underdogs, who would rather drop dead that admit they have things in common with all the other like-minded groups who could really use their support. people who probably have trouble with success or collaborating or long term relationships.

Case in point: they’re not totally wrong about social justice warriors. But look how happy and charged they are to be arguably right about the one controversial sorta un-PC issue that will never affect their lives. So brave for standing up to those feminist oppressors! Meanwhile trump incites violence and hates libel laws, but he’s not a censored shill. And when it comes to climate change, the thought of actually agreeing or working together with scientists, liberals or the UN would shatter their identity. So they have to make shit up and dwell on anything that could be wrong. It has to be us against everyone else, forever. Too independent for the independents. The only solution is to keep identifying other people’s problems.

From what i’ve seen a lot of these folks rant about globalists but can’t even imagine a world without shitty fast food drive thrus and credit cards and walmart prices. Someone who shops at the farmers market, cooks their own food, doesn’t own a car or eat meat and pays a premium on local products and services is actually helping change things much more. But if they’re a millennial who tweets and doesn’t own a gun they must be another pussy PC shill!

i can't believe i ranted this much but it's really bothered me lately. and i just watched They Live yesterday for the first time, pretty randomly, didn’t even know it was political. I didn’t even realize there were clips from it shown in the billy IW video! It was a crazy hilarious movie with a bunch of awesome moments but hard to enjoy knowing its probably scripture for this crowd

That's a long way to go to show how naive you are.

[christian zombie vampires]

http://politicalmaps.org/electoral-c...ur-votes-valu/
farmers aren't dominating. but their votes are worth up to 4x as much as city folk

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by christian zombie vampires

http://politicalmaps.org/electoral-c...ur-votes-valu/
farmers aren't dominating. but their votes are worth up to 4x as much as city folk

Ah yes, because that's exactly what RBG was referring to.

[T&T]

billy's got a new best friend!
http://i.imgur.com/TSUSw8g.jpg

[Elphenor]

What RBG and I are talking about is something you learn in middle school history you don't even have to take Political Science 101

It's less like arguing when Poots and NinSP are involved and more like trying to teach a child

[Elphenor]

Hint: Why is it that registered Democrats greatly outnumber registered Republicans and yet the House is dominated by the GOP

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Poots

Are you suggesting that the ONE representative that the extremely rural states get is somehow tipping the balance in the House? Do the math dude.

You are a fucking retard

Dude!

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Hint: Why is it that registered Democrats greatly outnumber registered Republicans and yet the House is dominated by the GOP

Equal representation?