"...throwing a pebble in the ocean." - Corgan

[morespsoon]

Quoting http://www.nme.com/news/smashing-pumpkins/59456#

He's not throwing a pebble in the ocean, he's throwing turds in the ocean. If the music was any good it would have a much better response and following. If you read Corgan's quotes you'd think that he thought he was still putting out good music.

My prediction:

Oceania will bomb and it will lead to the end of the Pumpkins. Billy Corgan will produce crap for the next 15 years or so then in his late 50s/early 60s he will put something great again.

[iPumpkin]

"If we're able to get that sense that something is happening again and get people to rally behind us a bit, I think the next three, four years will be very interesting for the band. I think if ['Oceania'] basically hits the same wall a lot of the other stuff has hit, we're going to have to step back and really evaluate where we're going, because it's a tremendous amount of energy to put out to just feel like you're throwing a pebble in the ocean."


It could really be over.

[Trotskilicious]

Larry's prediction:

ALBUM
OF
THE
YEAR

[rottenugly]

Originally Posted by iPumpkin

It could really be over.

It's been over since James and Jimmy and D'arcy left.

Now it's just the Billy Corgan band.

[Trotskilicious]

i know it's weird how every piece of news has one person or another just giving up

welcome to the wake already

[iPumpkin]

Originally Posted by rottenugly

It's been over since James and Jimmy and D'arcy left.

Now it's just the Billy Corgan band.

Not at all. 60% of their sets live are from the 90s and bands change all the time. I'm cool with this. I could care less who is in the band if the music is good and the shows are great. Problem is they are just not as good as they used to be. I understand Billy is solely responsible for this and he should shut it down if this last effort does not blow up.

[TuralyonW3]

What does "open-sounding" mean? Worrisome

[reprise85]

He says the same thing for every album. Make or break. Blah blah blah blah blahhhhhh

[reprise85]

"The general description I've heard from people who have heard it is that it reminds them of the Pumpkins in the way they like the Pumpkins, but somehow it sounds new."

Never heard that before. Is this his job interview answer to why should we hire you?

[rudi]

Originally Posted by morespsoon

Quoting http://www.nme.com/news/smashing-pumpkins/59456#

He's not throwing a pebble in the ocean, he's throwing turds in the ocean. If the music was any good it would have a much better response and following. If you read Corgan's quotes you'd think that he thought he was still putting out good music.

My prediction:

Oceania will bomb and it will lead to the end of the Pumpkins. Billy Corgan will produce crap for the next 15 years or so then in his late 50s/early 60s he will put something great again.

As much as I hope that Oceania is good, at least an equal proportion of me opposes and hopes that it bombs, so that he will scrap the name SP and do either SOLO STUFF or just get a NEW BAND without pandering to what SP "should be".

SP2-3 is the only thing Billy's ever done that I am ashamed to talk about. ZWAN was good, TFE was good, the shit he writes for other bands is good; the man still has talent, he just can't get to it through the shit he's mired himself in. I'd be happy to see him go solo.

[Trotskilicious]

by the way i thought the interview was pretty practical, the teargarden suite was pretty a stupid idea to begin with and abandoning it was the way to go and he pretty much said straight out that he was done with the album and the concept and should be perfectly aware that he's publically admitting his wrongness, which we all know is pretty fucking rare for him

i like the idea that "if it hits the same wall" they'll have to re-evaluate, that could be hopeful. I would like to hear something good, and I think it's possible with the right attitude and this article gives me a sense that maybe it actually is there. The "pebble in the ocean" bit is actually true, I mean billy corgan misread the future of the internet and assumed that people would care about one song released every month. He overcommitted because he's unabashedly ambitious, but in the end he's realized that it's all about getting the buzz of the release going just like it always has been, it's just you have to pressbomb the entire internet and get mags like NME to talk about it. Besides the fact that recording a whole album worth of songs together at once lends a cohesive whole to the work, rather than the herky, jerky, "I'll release a song when I get around to it," methodology.

It's a step in the right direction, guys. Jeez.

[Dogfighter28]

oh brother here we go again

[reprise85]

wouldn't it be funny if this album is really good

ha. ha.

[Trotskilicious]

i think it would also behoove him not to interact with the internet and hire a net savvy publicist

[Trotskilicious]

BILLY CORGAN I CAN BE THAT MAN

I have no experience, no credentials but i have a functioning mind and I like the internet. Please pay me lots of monies so i can post on your internets

[rottenugly]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

BILLY CORGAN I CAN BE THAT MAN

I have no experience, no credentials but i have a functioning mind and I like the internet. Please pay me lots of monies so i can post on your internets

he'll just be a transphobe and blame all of his shit on Iha again

[Order 66]

i'm just pissed he expected to light the world on fire with tbk and its release model. wasn't the whole point of selling Today (which was once a sacrosanct song, allegedly) to Visa so that tbk would already be funded as its own little indie thing and it mattered fuckall whether it was a "hit" or not?

anyway i still think he's on the right track now but my concern is that he'll actually put out a relatively good album only to get largely ignored. oh well

[paranoid]

my prediction?

he puts out the album. it has 2 or 3 good songs. the rest either medium level or total suck level. they tour, the audience is luke warm to the new material, only wants to hear bullet and tonight tonight, billy loses it halfway through and starts bitching at the audience for not getting it and being with the times, some band members get fired and/or leave, REPEAT CYCLE.

C'mon, we went through this in 2007. buckle up for another ride.

[Trotskilicious]

i think the audience wants to hear geek usa

maybe he'll figure out that he needs that drum guy too

[slunken]

this album needs to fail. billy needs to give up the ghost of rock.

[brendo_91]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

I mean billy corgan misread the future of the internet and assumed that people would care about one song released every month.

Problem is that the songs were nowhere that frequent. He announced TbK this time two years ago, we have twelve songs to show for it, not the twenty two that we should have if he was doing a song a month. Oceania will bring it up to 25 songs, and land us at exactly the right number to be right on track, releasewise. But it's a much smarter idea to push an album than throwaway internet singles.

[T&T]

what's gonna happen with EP3 songs? LS & owata... any physical release.

[???]

by putting more pressure on the band to succeed - or else - the fans will be watching with baited breath to see what they by now expect will be a failure. but then the album will actually be popular. he's just hyping things up.

[Astur]

Yeah this is great. I expect a brand new era of live breakdowns and weird shit from Billy

[StuckInVain]

"throwing a pebble in the ocean"

Isn't that just a negative way of saying that the Pumpkins are on an even playing field with lots of other bands? It sounds like he thinks he deserves the privilege of major label support like it was 1995 or something. What happened to letting the music stand on its own?

[T&T]

at least he didn't say
"no one ever sees the tears when you're crying in the rain"

[ilikeplanets]

How is this their ninth studio record?

[T&T]

original contract was for 7 (gish, SD, PI, MCIS, AFH, Adore, MacNa).. this went to court.
zee is 8th
& oach is 9th

[rottenugly]

really pisses me off
what the fuck

[ilikeplanets]

Originally Posted by T&T

original contract was for 7 (gish, SD, PI, MCIS, AFH, Adore, MacNa).. this went to court.
zee is 8th
& oach is 9th

I was counting it as such:

Gish
SD
MCIS
Adore
Machina
M2
Zeitgeist
TBK/Oceania

I didn't know they set out to record PI and TAFH, I thought the tracks filling those albums were pulled and put together...