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Old 11-03-2018, 01:23 PM   #1501
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hey can someone PM a 320kbps or FLAC of Gossamer? Preferably from the bonus EP.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:34 PM   #1502
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I never thought Melissa was that great. I think girls get judged by a different standard to guys, on bass. Especially hot girls. She was OK. I guess aesthetically she fitted in. But musically I've never been interested, I listened to a bit of her album and it was a bit like the JCC, very proficient but just not terribly engaging IMO.

I would probably rather listen to Bearcubbin'. I thought Mike Byrne was a bad fit for the band. but I liked his playing. so what do I know, obviously nothing

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:49 PM   #1503
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In "math rock" though he is really nothing special. At all. There is nothing that makes him particualry good in terms of his drumming contemporaries in that genre. Unless I'm missing something? Listen to 10 bands of that ilk and you won't here anything Mike does that makes him stand out as particualry special. I won't argue that his "style" (overplaying with [fluid] time keeping) seems more suited to that type of music though.

For being able to hold down -some- of JC's parts to a serviceable level - he can have some credit. But his butchery of the majority of them he will remain the worst drummer sp have played with by a mile. He was mostly ghastly. Brad Wilk did give him a run for his money though. His style isn't really suited to do either, but for different reasons.
i listen to a lot of math rock and he's definitely not a standout.

Still a very technically proficient drummer. Good drummer all round. Imagine trying to fit in Jimmy's shoes.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:58 PM   #1504
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Speaking as a bass player, there’s a lot wrong here. Yer in Oasis the bass doesn’t do anything more than provide low end, but in SP it plays a more important role. Generally it comes down to the era of the band, if the song was written when the band was a functional unit and songs came out of jams with everyone contributing (88-96, Oceania-era) then the bass does some important stuff rhythmically, tieing the drums to the guitars, establishing groove and feel and providing melodic counterpoints. Look at Rhino, Windowpain, Silverfuck, Hummer, Rocket, Set The Ray, and most of Oceania... not to mention Mary Star of the Sea, which is full of beautiful playing. If it’s one of the eras where Billy isn’t working with a bass player and works the parts out himself (lots of Adore and Machina, Zeitgeist, Monuments) the bass playing becomes less interesting and more functional very quickly. Billy specifically denied this in an interview I did with him, but he’s wrong (Nicole called the comment “deluded” on facebook.)
I’m going to have to request citations for the interview in question and Nicole’s comment. This is juicy.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:10 PM   #1505
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Speaking as a bass player, there’s a lot wrong here. Yer in Oasis the bass doesn’t do anything more than provide low end, but in SP it plays a more important role. Generally it comes down to the era of the band, if the song was written when the band was a functional unit and songs came out of jams with everyone contributing (88-96, Oceania-era) then the bass does some important stuff rhythmically, tieing the drums to the guitars, establishing groove and feel and providing melodic counterpoints. Look at Rhino, Windowpain, Silverfuck, Hummer, Rocket, Set The Ray, and most of Oceania... not to mention Mary Star of the Sea, which is full of beautiful playing. If it’s one of the eras where Billy isn’t working with a bass player and works the parts out himself (lots of Adore and Machina, Zeitgeist, Monuments) the bass playing becomes less interesting and more functional very quickly. Billy specifically denied this in an interview I did with him, but he’s wrong (Nicole called the comment “deluded” on facebook.)
You're right that the bass line is more prominent in some earlier tracks, but in the context of their live shows, the bass like is either defined by the song, or there is no space to improvise. The bass part is functional due to the material itself. Touring musicians generally try to be functional unless specifically asked to add some creativity into it. It doesn't sound to my ears like Billy ever asked his bass players to get creative. He thinks his own root note playing is sufficient, I don't think he really cares what the bass player is doing, so long as it doesn't draw attention to itself, which is probably why all of the bassists he's employed since D'arcy have a rather deferential, non imposing manner, aside from Melissa Auf der Maur.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:24 PM   #1506
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alongside b0llzebub's godawful voice, the weak bass lines tsp's major flaw.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:32 PM   #1507
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with all the guitars being full frequency, there's barely any room for the drums... and there's NO room for the bass.
best to cut some space out to bring up the vocals at least.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:10 PM   #1508
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He specified himself the order of "SP importance" was something like guitars - > drums - > vocals ----> bass

i mighta mixed up vox & drums but bass was most certainly at the end & guitars were most certainly at the top

btw, Raindrops + Sunshowers' bassline is sweet

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:18 PM   #1509
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I mean, why would you want this...







when you already have THIS?!!!





Bates needs to show more underboob.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:19 PM   #1510
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Lookout Loretta
Wow now THAT'S a song title I haven't heard in a while!

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:31 PM   #1511
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Razor Star, I don’t quite follow. Billy worked out all the basslines on Gish and SD and he plays the bass on almost every one of the songs on those albums.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:43 PM   #1512
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Razor Star, I don’t quite follow. Billy worked out all the basslines on Gish and SD and he plays the bass on almost every one of the songs on those albums.
Oh, this again?

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:49 PM   #1513
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He was saying that albums where Billy does the bass himself are somehow inferior. And yeah it’s very well documented that he played the bass on those albums. D’arcy plays on Luna only on SD.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:51 PM   #1514
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Wow now THAT'S a song title I haven't heard in a while!
I know, right? Can't say I've listened to it more than like 3 times but... I'm a completist, so it counts.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:58 PM   #1515
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He was saying that albums where Billy does the bass himself are somehow inferior. And yeah it’s very well documented that he played the bass on those albums. D’arcy plays on Luna only on SD.
Wait you just said he "worked out" the basslines of SD in advance. Now you are saying he just recorded them himself?

Which is it?

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:09 PM   #1516
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A bit thick are we? Obviously Billy both wrote the basslines himself and recorded them himself.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:12 PM   #1517
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A bit thick are we? Obviously Billy both wrote the basslines himself and recorded them himself.
Wow! So on the two completely different set of live-recorded rehearsal demos from 1992, he's somehow playing both his guitar and bass simultaneously?

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:27 PM   #1518
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Yeah because it’s definitely not possible that he taught everyone the parts to his songs.

tbh, I enjoyed when you got owned by Corgan on instagram for that whack Machina tracklisting you came up with. When the most self important man in the world calls you self important you’ve got
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:28 PM   #1519
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you guys need to chill

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:32 PM   #1520
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Yeah because it’s definitely not possible that he taught everyone the parts to his songs.

tbh, I enjoyed when you got owned by Corgan on instagram for that whack Machina tracklisting you came up with. When the most self important man in the world calls you self important you’ve got
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:33 PM   #1521
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Yeah because it’s definitely not possible that he taught everyone the parts to his songs.

tbh, I enjoyed when you got owned by Corgan on instagram for that whack Machina tracklisting you came up with. When the most self important man in the world calls you self important you’ve got
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lol Getting personal are you? I must have hit a chord.

Anyways, it's not probable based on 1) we have two sets of band demos of them all playing altogether, with similar basslines as what ended up on the album; 2) the length of time he'd have to prepare this in between touring and a general writer's block; 3) Corgan's justification for playing most all the bass was that he was just playing the parts she wrote in the first place; 4) Corgan has had ample opportunity to state "I wrote all the bass parts" instead of "I recorded all the bass parts", but he hasn't.

I could be wrong of course, but feel free to prove it instead of getting all emotional on the internet.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:45 PM   #1522
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I’m not even remotely emotional about this. You’re the one being a pedantic twat. I’d say with certainty that Billy wrote all the basslines for Gish and SD. D’arcy only ever received a writing credit for the basslines on “Daughter” as I recall. Most of the basslines follow the guitar anyways on the albums with a few exceptions like Rocket and Hummer.

 
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I’m not even remotely emotional about this. You’re the one being a pedantic twat. I’d say with certainty that Billy wrote all the basslines for Gish and SD. D’arcy only ever received a writing credit for the basslines on “Daughter” as I recall. Most of the basslines follow the guitar anyways on the albums with a few exceptions like Rocket and Hummer.
Oh is that how it works? If you write a bassline, you get an actual songwriting co-credit?

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:52 PM   #1524
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Shouldn't you?

 
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I mean, I'm not "picking sides" here but I was always under the impression Corgan wrote the majority of the basslines as well, but if someone writes the entirety of a part for any element of a song, wouldn't they at least get a fractional writing credit? I guess it all depends on what the band decides among themselves/their lawyers

 
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Shouldn't you?
That's not what we are discussing, is it?

 
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I mean, I'm not "picking sides" here but I was always under the impression Corgan wrote the majority of the basslines as well, but if someone writes the entirety of a part for any element of a song, wouldn't they at least get a fractional writing credit? I guess it all depends on what the band decides among themselves/their lawyers
Usually not, no. Unless the bassline creates the core of the definable song.

 
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:57 PM   #1528
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Billy 100% didn’t write all the bass or James’ guitar. Butch Vig has said so, and I think Billy has too.

 
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Post the quotes then

 
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What's being discussed is whether or not there is enough going on with the bass in any given SP set list to believe that any one hired bassist is notably better than another at principally following along with the root notes the whole time. Even in the case of a song like Rocket, if they don't play that little riff in the verses as it was done on the record, they're basically screwing up the song.

 
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