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03-21-2017, 10:40 PM | #6841 |
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popular entertainment... where fewer people are tortured and murdered, right?
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03-21-2017, 10:40 PM | #6842 |
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and yet we have prisons full of people being tortured and murdered and yet that's different again, this is being used to justify the status quo. it serves ABSOLUTELY NO PURPOSE other than to justify the status quo. there is no reason to even have this discussion if it wasn't to justify the status quo. Its ok that we incarcerate millions and have torture porn as a cinematic genre because its so much less than it was in 1682 (for now at least, the future is dark and full of terrors) |
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03-21-2017, 10:41 PM | #6844 | |
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03-21-2017, 10:42 PM | #6845 |
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i do see your point and i respect it, though
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03-21-2017, 10:44 PM | #6846 |
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03-21-2017, 10:46 PM | #6848 |
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03-21-2017, 10:46 PM | #6849 |
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now see, this is the Trotsky that I missed.
I've gotta admit I quite enjoyed seeing him school JNAH |
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03-21-2017, 10:46 PM | #6850 |
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Absolutely, btw, imprisoning people is a violent act but again we've done away with debtor's prisons (SORT OF, at least outright) and 'hard labor' and at least entertain the idea that prison should not be hell
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03-21-2017, 10:47 PM | #6851 |
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03-21-2017, 10:47 PM | #6852 |
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03-21-2017, 10:48 PM | #6853 |
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03-21-2017, 10:49 PM | #6854 |
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03-21-2017, 10:49 PM | #6855 | |
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i don't know what you think the climate is going to do but we'll find out i guess |
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03-21-2017, 10:50 PM | #6856 |
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Obviously we can't get into people's heads, but if torturing people for mass pleasure became abhorrent as an institution when it simply was common before, and people were murdered and publicity tortured for petty theft and not paying taxes, why would this have changed if not for personal attitudes about what is moral changing?
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03-21-2017, 10:51 PM | #6857 | |
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03-21-2017, 10:52 PM | #6858 |
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climate is fucking terrifying not gonna lie
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03-21-2017, 10:52 PM | #6859 |
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even if the folks in this thread didn't, thats what i think this interpretation of history assumes
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03-21-2017, 10:53 PM | #6860 |
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03-21-2017, 10:55 PM | #6861 |
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i just had to look up end of history, i'm a pleb i guess but i can admit that i don't know a lot about this topic as a political discussion. i'm interested in the actual human elements involved in a societal decrease or increase in violence, genocides, torture, etc and not the political aspects per se
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03-21-2017, 10:57 PM | #6862 |
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When I was in school we also laughed at Fukuyama, but I also remember making the connecting that Marx also believed in the end of history and the idea is senseless in general. It's weird to me that anyone can think something like that
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03-21-2017, 11:00 PM | #6863 | |
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03-21-2017, 11:16 PM | #6864 |
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I do sometimes look at /r/watchpeopledie, that's true. But I don't watch the stuff with people getting tortured or murdered. Perhaps that doesn't matter though. I think it's the PTSD part of me who is convinced I am going to die soon, if not that I'm already dead, and trying to somehow prevent it by learning what mistakes to not make, or getting used to the idea that I'll soon be dead. But you have a good point. I mostly look at disasters/large accidents and jumping suicides. Just to be clear I don't look at it all the time, I kinda go on kicks... not sure when the last one was
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03-21-2017, 11:18 PM | #6865 |
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could it be that our ability to exploit fossil fuels accounts for global increase in quality of life more so than capitalist democracy
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03-21-2017, 11:21 PM | #6866 |
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a different argument from "are things better" to which the answer seems to be yes by any metric I can conceive of even for the impoverished
but maybe I lack imagination |
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03-21-2017, 11:34 PM | #6867 |
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03-21-2017, 11:40 PM | #6868 | |
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I'd be a little curious to see the audience numbers. |
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03-21-2017, 11:46 PM | #6869 |
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personally I would never go back in time, even given the opportunity. The past sucked, and it is kind of exciting to watch it all burn down
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03-21-2017, 11:51 PM | #6870 | |
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it started with fur, tobacco & spice and it ends with fossil fuels |
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