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05-04-2020, 05:31 PM | #1 |
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Recent Machina II red LP BOTTLEG ILLEGAL set (NOT A LEGITIMATE FUCKING RELEASE)
Got this little box in today. Since I didn't see much in the way of any decent shots of the contents anywhere, I figured I'd put these up for anyone curious.
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05-04-2020, 05:36 PM | #2 |
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lol Purdy: |
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05-04-2020, 06:29 PM | #3 |
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Note: This thing does sound fucking good. I'm listening to If There Is A God (full band) and you can really, really hear the bass
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05-04-2020, 08:12 PM | #4 |
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Hella sweet.
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05-04-2020, 11:32 PM | #5 |
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Pretty sick. Where did you buy the bootleg?
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05-04-2020, 11:43 PM | #6 |
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Pumpkins camp is pissed
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05-05-2020, 12:12 AM | #7 |
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05-05-2020, 12:16 AM | #8 |
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seller on cdandlp.com
They're still going to get my money if and when the reissue comes out, I just wanted to have something that keeps the original MII art aesthetic, and to hear these versions of the songs on wax before whatever polishing is done with them. |
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05-05-2020, 12:40 AM | #9 |
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Thanks. Might grab unsure but I ran to ebay first and this same bootleg was going for 800 lol
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05-05-2020, 12:57 AM | #10 |
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I've only see it go for silly prices. Eulogy recently bought a copy as well if I recall.
Also: wtf is with putting a Winston Churchill quote on the sleeve? |
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05-05-2020, 01:20 AM | #11 |
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We need a proper rip of this vinyl release to compare with the other versions.
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05-05-2020, 01:25 AM | #12 |
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Some odd choices with this bootleg...
The Gish era photo The Churchill quote Why does only Heavy Metal Machine V1 have recording info in the tracklist whereas no other tracks have info? Weird track selections for record 4, could've been better Machina related choices. |
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05-05-2020, 02:07 AM | #13 |
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how could it be any better than all of the other versions? surely one of the other versions had to be source for this bootleg release? is this one of those 13 remaster type thingies?
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05-05-2020, 02:13 AM | #14 |
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maybe you can add your pictures to discogs? https://www.discogs.com/The-Smashing...elease/8625089
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05-05-2020, 07:19 AM | #15 | |
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I can shed some light on that, at least. That's from one of the fan-made Machina II artwork booklets that used to be up on Ognetty's website: I was lucky enough to have those saved from when I was trying to make my own booklet a few years back, site seems to be gone now. Hope someone archived them. |
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05-05-2020, 07:57 AM | #16 |
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The bit about the recording date next to HMM v1 alt mix is probably taken from the SPFC page on the sesssion. I'm guessing that was maybe intended as a footnote to the whole thing but then for whatever reason they decided to tack on the rest of the tracks.
"The original FEMM tape" bootleg has a Q101 Untitled debut broadcast on it, so that page ...might...be the source for those and would explain why the song titles are basically as listed on SPFC. But this lists Age Of Innocence instead. Did Q101 play the whole Untitled single, all 3 tracks? Maybe they decided to cut out some of the FAEOMM tracks like Money, the XYU medley, Waiting and Cinder Open since they were on official reissues and fill the space with Bowie's 50th birthday performances and Zwan stuff. Last edited by Shadaloo : 05-05-2020 at 08:24 AM. |
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05-13-2020, 12:00 PM | #17 |
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Updated thread title to reflect acceptable terminology
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05-13-2020, 12:05 PM | #18 |
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great job writing BOTTLEG!
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05-13-2020, 12:14 PM | #19 |
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Done you one better champ
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05-13-2020, 12:14 PM | #20 |
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the BOTTLEG ILLEGAL vibes do indeed put me off...
jk that all looks incredibly well done |
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05-13-2020, 12:15 PM | #21 |
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Mods plz change main thread title
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05-13-2020, 12:16 PM | #22 |
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05-13-2020, 12:24 PM | #23 |
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It apparently originates in the UK for what that's worth. Don't suppose there's any chance someone located there got ahold of one of the original 25 sets and an FAEOMM tape
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05-13-2020, 02:27 PM | #24 |
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Shad, would you say this was worth the purchase? I have no idea what you paid but it would be badass to have this.
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05-13-2020, 04:56 PM | #25 | |
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Maybe it's part of the vinyl analog experience or what have you, but I'd swear there's a lot more definition going on on this thing than I'm used to hearing. I compiled a list of stuff I noticed while I was listening, so here it is largely unfiltered: Glass - Holy shit this sounds brighter Cash Car Star - Crunchy, edgy Dross - Background guitar FX stand out a lot more Real Love seems a lot less ear rapey, wall of sound effect is lessened. Feels spacier, lighter. Bass more audible in Go, James' voice stands out more Innosence - Bass audible, more noticeable background piano at points, guitars seem further up front somehow Home - Strumming more audible in opening, hearing more reverb in vocals, same with Jimmy's drumming towards the end. BSBT - Bassier, brighter, more definition in drums. Never really noticed how insane the drums were on this until now. individual reverbed bits in "until I go blind" more audible. White Spyder - Feels less blown out, kinda. Bass more audible, overall sounds a bit darker. Drums sound further back, not as dominating as I'm used to In My Body - Much more audible bass. Background guitar notes stand out more. Brightness very apparent. "In my life" lasts a second or so longer than I'm used to hearing. Ebow a bit more audible through song in background and there's a cool little wavy part towards the end I don't think I ever heard until now. If There Is a God - Synths seem a touch more defined Le Deux Machina - Brighter, more reverb. Atom Bomb - Pulse is clearer. Strumming seems cleaner. Inflections in Billy's voice more audible. Slow Dawn - Billy's voice seems less up front, drums have more punch. Vanity - There's a Bassy bit at the start I've never heard before, Billy's voice likewise seems a bit less up front Saturnine - Tape hiss still audible. Guitar kinda feels like it has more edge, individual riffs more audible at end of song. Billy's voice seems a bit further up or is at the least better defined. Fade out. The audio glitch at the end of the Q101 version that's up on archive.org isn't present on this, it fades out. |
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05-13-2020, 05:07 PM | #26 |
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Caveat: I've never been a huge vinyl guy until recent years, and a lot of my impressions could well be those of someone hearing something in a new format for the first time. Vinyl does have certain unique qualities, like generally sounds warmer, which could and probably does account for some of what I'm hearing. But I haven't had this kind of reaction with any number of other releases I've owned in multiple formats. Like CAIC said, someone might have done a bit of tinkering of their own, who knows.
For what it's worth, my system is an Audio Technica LP-120 with a 90's Onkyo amplifier and Pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers The turntable is capable of USB recording...I would actually be willing to give this a try if someone can give me some pointers, link a useful walk-through, or otherwise provide suggestions for cartridge/needle upgrades if such a thing is necessary. I've never attempted a rip and I wouldn't wanna fuck it up. |
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05-13-2020, 05:42 PM | #27 |
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when covid is over, can I come over and listen to it?
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05-13-2020, 05:56 PM | #28 |
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Sure thing neighbor
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05-13-2020, 08:23 PM | #29 |
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BOTTLEG ILEGAL
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05-13-2020, 09:13 PM | #30 |
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