Could MACHINA have been better?

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 12:27 AM

I thought I'd aim for a useful post here, as I really love Machina...but, I loathe the fact that it's essentially half a great album and then falls off the wagon.
I also am so dissapointed that many superior tracks are on Machina 2, so unless you're a hardcore SP fan, it's not generally a known record.
Why didn't Billy and co. wait to just finish the record (or mixing of the Machina 2 songs) and then make something cohesive out of the material and ditch the too grandiose musical narrative?
I know we all have our own Machina alt tracklist. Here is mine:
1. Cash Car Star
2. Let Me Give The World To You
3. Stand Inside Your Love
4. Dross
5. Try, Try, Try
6. I Of The Mourning
7. This Time
8. Innosense
9. Real Love
10. Speed Kills (B side version)
11. Blue Skies Bring Tears (heavy)
12. Home
13. Age Of Innocence

johncg · 08-01-2018, 12:35 AM

Wow an “ideal machina tracklistimg thread.” How original

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by johncg

Wow an “ideal machina tracklistimg thread.” How original

Lol. I know it's been done to death.

coolstorybro · 08-01-2018, 12:36 AM

1. Crying tree of mercury (hostel demo)
2. Glass Theme (vocals only)
3. Blue Skys Bring Tears (with extended drum solo)
4. Everlasting Gaze
5. Crying tree of mercury (denny's demo)
6. Hey kids rock and roll

T&T · 08-01-2018, 05:03 AM

is johncg me?

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 05:58 AM

maybe if they scrapped it

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by smashingjj

maybe if they scrapped it

ALL of it? There' some merit for sure to at least half of it

Kahlo · 08-01-2018, 06:52 AM

Heavy Metal Machine (60 minute version)

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 07:04 AM

King of Beffen!!!!

Kahlo · 08-01-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by smashingjj

King of Beffen!!!!

I EARNED THAT TITLE. NO ONE CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

eviltimeban · 09:59 AM

I'm bored in work. So hell I'll give it a go, if that's the game we're playing.

MACHINA - The Friends & Enemies of God's Machine

1. The Everlasting Gaze
2. Glass's Theme
3. Dross
4. Stand Inside Your Love
5. Slow Dawn
6. Try Try Try
7. Raindrops + Sunshowers
8. Heavy Metal Machine
9. Cash Car Star
10. Let Me Give The World To You
11. In My Body
12. Vanity
13. Glass & The Ghost Children
14. Here's To The Atom Bomb
15. Age Of Innocence

I reckon that flows quite nicely - has a few rockers up front, doesn't have too many dips or murky corners, and makes and epic ending with G&TGC followed by two strong finishing songs.

Leaving out Mercury, Profane, Mourning, Imploding, and Blue Skies as they really drag - you can listen to the start of those songs, and flick towards the end and virtually nothing has happened or changed. No dynamics. These are the tracks that ruined Machina. Sure, I've got HMM in there; I figured it and CCS made for some good mid-album rockers, in keeping with the apparent "back to rock" approach to the album.

I was going to add Wound but felt a song with a similar tempo and beat was Raindrops, which I've always preferred. With Every Light is just too light, could've been a b-side though. This Time is very meh.

There's plenty of Machina 2 tracks that I like but didn't add - White Spyder is too extreme for a commercial major label album, though it and some other offcuts like Speed Kills, Saturnine, and Home could've made up a nice companion EP. Or just save them for CD single b-sides.

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltimeban

I'm bored in work. So hell I'll give it a go, if that's the game we're playing.

MACHINA - The Friends & Enemies of God's Machine

1. The Everlasting Gaze
2. Glass's Theme
3. Dross
4. Stand Inside Your Love
5. Slow Dawn
6. Try Try Try
7. Raindrops + Sunshowers
8. Heavy Metal Machine
9. Cash Car Star
10. Let Me Give The World To You
11. In My Body
12. Vanity
13. Glass & The Ghost Children
14. Here's To The Atom Bomb
15. Age Of Innocence

I reckon that flows quite nicely - has a few rockers up front, doesn't have too many dips or murky corners, and makes and epic ending with G&TGC followed by two strong finishing songs.

Leaving out Mercury, Profane, Mourning, Imploding, and Blue Skies as they really drag - you can listen to the start of those songs, and flick towards the end and virtually nothing has happened or changed. No dynamics. These are the tracks that ruined Machina. Sure, I've got HMM in there; I figured it and CCS made for some good mid-album rockers, in keeping with the apparent "back to rock" approach to the album.

I was going to add Wound but felt a song with a similar tempo and beat was Raindrops, which I've always preferred. With Every Light is just too light, could've been a b-side though. This Time is very meh.

There's plenty of Machina 2 tracks that I like but didn't add - White Spyder is too extreme for a commercial major label album, though it and some other offcuts like Speed Kills, Saturnine, and Home could've made up a nice companion EP. Or just save them for CD single b-sides.

Well done. I actually agree with you on many points here.

eviltimeban · 08-02-2018, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by solaraflame

Well done. I actually agree with you on many points here.

Thanks Billy, I mean Solaraflame, I actually listened to this last night in this order and I really liked it - it made me hear the songs in a new light. I'm questioning the inclusion of In My Body; perhaps an earlier fade out would've worked. But Vanity picks up the pace after it.

Certain things worked 'serendipitously', such as the way CCS cuts dead straight into the opening snare of LMGTWTYT.

The volume between the I and II era tracks are way off so I might do a bit of remastering myself in Cubase and cut out the record crackle you can hear between some of the II era tracks (and cut out the "we're rolling" bit of Dross, it kills the momentum).

Now that I've heard that Arising version of BSBT I'd add it somewhere. I need an mp3 of it though.

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahlo

I EARNED THAT TITLE. NO ONE CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

hahah. nice new custom title; not sure if it works in German though

Kahlo · 08-01-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smashingjj

hahah. nice new custom title; not sure if it works in German though

Oh I know, but der Cunnilingus doesn't sound as good. Beffen sounds like a small town somewhere.

Right everyone, back to making your fucking tracklists.

70 minutes of the 'I can hear the voice of God' interlude.

MyKeyZ · 08-01-2018, 02:38 PM

Can Machina be better? Oh yes, most definitely.

With Machina, less is more.

NovaFritz · 08-01-2018, 09:25 AM

How about--

MACHINA - Heavy Metal Version

1. Heavy Metal Machine
2. Heavy Metal Machine
3. Heavy Metal Machine
4. Heavy Metal Machine
5. Heavy Metal Machine
6. Heavy Metal Machine
7. Heavy Metal Machine (alternate mix)
8. Heavy Metal Machine
9. Heavy Metal Machine
10. Heavy Metal Machine
11. Go

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

How about--

MACHINA - Heavy Metal Version

1. Heavy Metal Machine
2. Heavy Metal Machine
3. Heavy Metal Machine
4. Heavy Metal Machine
5. Heavy Metal Machine
6. Heavy Metal Machine
7. Heavy Metal Machine (alternate mix)
8. Heavy Metal Machine
9. Heavy Metal Machine
10. Heavy Metal Machine
11. Go

Yeah, I could get behind this. Torture chamber style.

Kahlo · 08-01-2018, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

How about--

MACHINA - Heavy Metal Version

1. Heavy Metal Machine
2. Heavy Metal Machine
3. Heavy Metal Machine
4. Heavy Metal Machine
5. Heavy Metal Machine
6. Heavy Metal Machine
7. Heavy Metal Machine (alternate mix)
8. Heavy Metal Machine
9. Heavy Metal Machine
10. Heavy Metal Machine
11. Go

This is great. Ending is a bit weak though.

NovaFritz · 08-02-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahlo

This is great. Ending is a bit weak though.

What? Ending is the best part. Also, if they do a Plainsong tour with this, it lets Billy get an early bathroom break.

artvase · 08-01-2018, 09:28 AM

Who gives a rat's prick

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by artvase

Who gives a rat's prick

Machina 1 and 2 are probably the most prized and desired repackagings/reissues to come.

johncg · 08-01-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by solaraflame

Machina 1 and 2 are probably the most prized and desired repackagings/reissues to come.

Okay. This is definitely Billy.

pavementtune · 08-01-2018, 10:12 AM

you okay, johncg?

a lot of people even here were looking forward to that reissue the most, are you trying to say nobody ever wanted it, ergo if you do, you must be Bully? um...

Bully 146 checking in

johncg · 08-01-2018, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pavementtune

you okay, johncg?

a lot of people even here were looking forward to that reissue the most, are you trying to say nobody ever wanted it, ergo if you do, you must be Bully? um...

Bully 146 checking in

soniclovenoize · 08-01-2018, 10:07 AM

Fuck that shit, here's your Arising album.

Glass Theme
Virex
Dross
Speed Kills
Blue Skies Bring Tears
Stand Inside Your Love
Glass + The Ghost Children
Wound
Cash Car Star
Home
If There Is A God
With Every Light

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Fuck that shit, here's your Arising album.

Glass Theme
Virex
Dross
Speed Kills
Blue Skies Bring Tears
Stand Inside Your Love
Glass + The Ghost Children
Wound
Cash Car Star
Home
If There Is A God
With Every Light

now this I'd be interested in. you don't strike me as the type that makes dream playlists of un- or differently released albums and then also has them on MP3 somewhere. but if somehow I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in hearing them.

soniclovenoize · 08-01-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smashingjj

now this I'd be interested in. you don't strike me as the type that makes dream playlists of un- or differently released albums and then also has them on MP3 somewhere. but if somehow I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in hearing them.

lol

Check your PM

solaraflame · 08-01-2018, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Fuck that shit, here's your Arising album.

Glass Theme
Virex
Dross
Speed Kills
Blue Skies Bring Tears
Stand Inside Your Love
Glass + The Ghost Children
Wound
Cash Car Star
Home
If There Is A God
With Every Light

I could stand behind that!

LaBelle · 08-01-2018, 10:51 AM

I haven't cared for the pumpkins in a minute, but the Machina reissue is def one of the things I still am looking forward to

08-01-2018, 12:27 AM	#1
solaraflame Pledge Posts: 82	Could MACHINA have been better? I thought I'd aim for a useful post here, as I really love Machina...but, I loathe the fact that it's essentially half a great album and then falls off the wagon. I also am so dissapointed that many superior tracks are on Machina 2, so unless you're a hardcore SP fan, it's not generally a known record. Why didn't Billy and co. wait to just finish the record (or mixing of the Machina 2 songs) and then make something cohesive out of the material and ditch the too grandiose musical narrative? I know we all have our own Machina alt tracklist. Here is mine: 1. Cash Car Star 2. Let Me Give The World To You 3. Stand Inside Your Love 4. Dross 5. Try, Try, Try 6. I Of The Mourning 7. This Time 8. Innosense 9. Real Love 10. Speed Kills (B side version) 11. Blue Skies Bring Tears (heavy) 12. Home 13. Age Of Innocence

08-01-2018, 08:34 AM	#11
eviltimeban Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,143	I'm bored in work. So hell I'll give it a go, if that's the game we're playing. MACHINA - The Friends & Enemies of God's Machine 1. The Everlasting Gaze 2. Glass's Theme 3. Dross 4. Stand Inside Your Love 5. Slow Dawn 6. Try Try Try 7. Raindrops + Sunshowers 8. Heavy Metal Machine 9. Cash Car Star 10. Let Me Give The World To You 11. In My Body 12. Vanity 13. Glass & The Ghost Children 14. Here's To The Atom Bomb 15. Age Of Innocence I reckon that flows quite nicely - has a few rockers up front, doesn't have too many dips or murky corners, and makes and epic ending with G&TGC followed by two strong finishing songs. Leaving out Mercury, Profane, Mourning, Imploding, and Blue Skies as they really drag - you can listen to the start of those songs, and flick towards the end and virtually nothing has happened or changed. No dynamics. These are the tracks that ruined Machina. Sure, I've got HMM in there; I figured it and CCS made for some good mid-album rockers, in keeping with the apparent "back to rock" approach to the album. I was going to add Wound but felt a song with a similar tempo and beat was Raindrops, which I've always preferred. With Every Light is just too light, could've been a b-side though. This Time is very meh. There's plenty of Machina 2 tracks that I like but didn't add - White Spyder is too extreme for a commercial major label album, though it and some other offcuts like Speed Kills, Saturnine, and Home could've made up a nice companion EP. Or just save them for CD single b-sides. Last edited by eviltimeban : 08-01-2018 at 09:59 AM.

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soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	Fuck that shit, here's your Arising album. Glass Theme Virex Dross Speed Kills Blue Skies Bring Tears Stand Inside Your Love Glass + The Ghost Children Wound Cash Car Star Home If There Is A God With Every Light

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