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Old 10-07-2017, 11:19 PM   #181
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in fact "fuzzy is right" has never to my knowledge been a factual statement

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 03:16 AM   #182
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fuzzy is right. Oceania was boring and bloated. No hooks, bad guitar tone. Monuments at least had some catchy songs (Tiberius, One and All, Monuments, Dorian).
Thank you I was starting to feel like I was crazy because the consensus is still so negative when it comes to Monuments and still overly positive in regard to Oceania. I've never understood why...

I actually forgot about Dorian (the tracks that worked their way into my realm were Tiberius, One and all, Anaise and Anti-Hero)... But when you consider the album, it's actually quite a far reaching and eclectic collection (the opposite is true with Ogilala). Sure, it's short and polished... But BC said himself that he was just coming with the haymakers... Felt no need for any filler (which Oceania has a ton of)... And plus, it was a treat to here Tommy Lee on the album after the numerous years with Byrne.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 03:22 AM   #183
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in fact "fuzzy is right" has never to my knowledge been a factual statement
I regrettably have said more than my fair share of ridiculous shit here during my journey into the abyss of severe alcoholism and recreational drug use... But if it's one thing I do know, it's the Pumpkins music. So I think whatever rambling I've done on that regard has been from an educated and truthful viewpoint.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:21 AM   #184
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Ogilala > Zeitgeist > MTAE > TbK > Oceania >TFE

Fo' Real.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:33 AM   #185
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Ahhh... Come back in 2 months and tell us if you feel the same

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:41 AM   #186
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OC and ZG are both shit in different ways

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:50 AM   #187
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Tiberius and Dorian, Tarantula, I love Winter, The Celestials, Tom Tom, Stitch in time and spangled are my favourite songs since machina 2. I don´t really like any of the post machina albums as a whole.
But for now I guess that Ogilala could be a grower

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:57 AM   #188
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RUBBISH from the production side, Mr. RUBIN:

Zowie: buzzing vibrato
Processional: piano accents much too loud
The Spaniards: yelling "take me as i am" with voice doubling, the synth beats and folklore effects
Aeronaut: the endless vibrating "lovers won't you mourn with me" under a string wallpaper
The Long Goodbye
Half-Life Of An Autodidact: the psychedelic synth fog
Amarinthe
Antietam
Mandarynne: strings too loud
Shiloh: strings too loud
Archer: buzzing voice effect

"Processional" is my favourite track from the album.
Good choice for contribution, JAMES IHA! Maybe he should have helped production wise too...

Give it therefore 5/10 after a few listenings. Could have been up to 7 otherwise.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:02 AM   #189
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i'm still not sure what iha did on processional, but it's one of my favorite tracks

long way to get back home

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:03 AM   #190
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i was hoping for something like this:



but having hope for something SP related in 2017 is a fool's errand

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:05 AM   #191
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RUBBISH from the production side, Mr. RUBIN:
Mandarynne: strings too loud
Strings are really too loud. I prefer the live version with only piano.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:31 AM   #192
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I haven't read any of the comments as didn't want anything to influence my opinion but I have just listened through for the first time. This is really really good. I am very pleasantly surprised, my hopes had gone down hill a bit after Aeronaut was released. I do like that song but it was only average at best, maybe 6 or 7 out of 10. I have to say it is my least favourite track on the album. I cannot understand that choice as a leading single. Anyway, this is definitely the best post reunion work in my opinion except maybe for a couple of tracks on Oceania.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:59 AM   #193
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RUBBISH from the production side, Mr. RUBIN:

Good choice for contribution, JAMES IHA! Maybe he should have helped production wise too...
The production on Look to the Sky was great.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 11:22 AM   #194
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When did he forget how to strum in time and in a pleasant rhythm?

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 11:56 AM   #195
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RUBBISH from the production side, Mr. RUBIN
Oh... so business as usual for Rick Ruben then.

As a rule I don't listen to or purchase Rick Ruben productions. Not after the nightmare of what the first Audioslave album.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:59 PM   #196
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Ahhh... Come back in 2 months and tell us if you feel the same
Well... the other albums aren't going to get any better in 2 months.

That other poster nailed it. I wouldn't be embarrassed to be heard listening to this album. The strings, guitar and piano suit Corgan's voice. There's a great string hook on Aeronaut. Loving The Processional. The Spaniard is growing on me. Currently The Long Goodbye and Half-Life are weak spots, but I'm 5-6 listens deep and still into it.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 01:01 PM   #197
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yeah fuzzy why don't you apply that comment to yourself i wonder what you're going to say later i bet it's all going to be like oh this is a nice album ok let's face it not his best but he really nails this and that and blah blah blah bro

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 01:26 PM   #198
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Compare this to American Gothic, which attempted a similar style and was unlistenable. The production here is a million times better.

The local edgelords would be creaming themselves if Archer or half of these tracks had been unearthed on the Machina reissue. I'm not suddenly back in the WPC fanclub, I enjoyed MTAE but I was aware there was some awful shit on that album, whereas this is ... actually good.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 01:39 PM   #199
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There's a few iffy bits but I agree it's a pleasant listen, expectations were not high after the single so I'm pleasantly surprised!

I think the appealing thing is that it sounds way less cynical than Monuments

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 01:44 PM   #200
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yeah fuzzy why don't you apply that comment to yourself i wonder what you're going to say later i bet it's all going to be like oh this is a nice album ok let's face it not his best but he really nails this and that and blah blah blah bro
No way Jose.

Look, I'm glad so many people like it and everything, but it's just not music that I find very engaging or interesting.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 02:55 PM   #201
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Ogilala > Zeitgeist > MTAE > TbK > Oceania >TFE

Fo' Real.
nah

TFE > Zeitgeist > Ogilala > Oceania > TbK > MTAE

I don't even really like Zeitgeist but its highs are much higher than Ogilala (neverlost, starz bridge, parts of bleeding the orchid, pomp, and the b-sides). Its lows are also lower but I still find it hard to discount the highs

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:41 PM   #202
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Who are the local edgelords? Can I be one?

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:41 PM   #203
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Zeitgeist> TFE> Monuments> Oceania> O.G La-La> TBK

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:53 PM   #204
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I wouldn't be embarrassed to be heard listening to this album.
this constitutes a good album now

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:28 PM   #205
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i was hoping for something like this:



but having hope for something SP related in 2017 is a fool's errand
Pajamas shows are a national treasure

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 11:58 PM   #206
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lyrics in antietam ~1:20

it's a long way south
what comforting kindness springs
to a bridge of donkey louts

 
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:35 AM   #207
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Lyrics in Spaniards ~00:45

To speak why I am Spock

 
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Old 10-09-2017, 07:24 AM   #208
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mandarynne -- what on earth is he saying at 0:41-42?

for everyone
pitching back
tu te mo [something in french perhaps?]
it's just like that
I think it's "toute mon", something like "all mine". It could also be a very bad pronunciation of "tout [le] monde" (everybody / the whole world).

My thoughts:

https://genius.com/Billy-corgan-mandarynne-lyrics

 
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:30 AM   #209
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fuck this is horrible. his vocals are unacceptably bad.

it's so boring. he's so fucking boring nowadays.

age like trent reznor, or die already, fuck



archer is OK but he really fucked up The Spaniards lol what else is new

 
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:06 AM   #210
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fuck this is horrible. his vocals are unacceptably bad.

it's so boring. he's so fucking boring nowadays.

age like trent reznor, or die already, fuck

archer is OK but he really fucked up The Spaniards lol what else is new
You sound like you need a hug.

I'm not offering btw.

 
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