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Old 10-07-2017, 12:50 PM   #91
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He is a piece of shit. I would refer to him as "Alt Lite"

He is repackaging decades old anti liberal anti feminist anti black vitriol into a form that is easier for "centrists" to accept. The right wing was ranting about post Modernism 30 years ago.

Most of his ranting is effectively straw man arguments.
This is an hilarious and emotive repsonse. I feel like Marilyn Manson.

It's easy to forget that his main argument is that his government (Canadian) is trying to force him to learn and use a new language, and he feels that's not how language works.

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

That's insane because there are currently well over 100 "new genders" which are constantly splintering off into smaller and smaller groups with newer languages to identify themselves. Which is fine. But you can't legally prosecute people for not knowing new rules that were just made up by the people who want to enforce those rules.

It would be like banning every user on this board who tried to type the word "inc-lude"

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 12:50 PM   #92
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pretty ignorant and I blame my poor articulation.
I feel like this 24/7

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 12:58 PM   #93
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language is a social negotiation, not a hostage crisis.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:04 PM   #94
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Is that a descriptive or prescriptive idea about language though? Maybe in an ideal world language should be a social negotiation, but I think that control of symbology is basically like holding the "keys to the kingdom" in a way, and people are going to compete for that control when there is a disagreement, not sit down and try to compromise.

besides we do have gatekeepers of language (people who write dictionaries for example, or people in positions of power to come up with new terms and push for change in old ones) so it's definitely not as simple as everyone coming together and the consensus of everyone's thoughts becoming the "rules" like a democratic vote, you know?

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:17 PM   #95
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It's difficult to navigate, because as a culture we're used to older words no longer becoming acceptable to the population (like gay, fag, n-word, tranny, etc).

We're not really used to new words being introduced and enforced so heavily. Usually they would start on a small scale and work their way up, or with older words they would work their way down.

I don't have a problem with accommodating a person's personal preference, but what is crazy is if you refuse or ignore these new terms you may be guilty of hate speech. The law on the subject (in Canada) is the only thing that really makes me scratch my head.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:18 PM   #96
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I completely understand (or try to) where Jordan is coming from.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:19 PM   #97
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I feel so stupid for posting in this thread.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:22 PM   #98
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If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.
This isn't what any Canadian legislation mandates at all.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:41 PM   #99
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Americans trying to talk about Canadian politics on here is worse than when Canadians are weighing in on American politics.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:10 PM   #100
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This is an hilarious and emotive repsonse. I feel like Marilyn Manson.

It's easy to forget that his main argument is that his government (Canadian) is trying to force him to learn and use a new language, and he feels that's not how language works.

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

That's insane because there are currently well over 100 "new genders" which are constantly splintering off into smaller and smaller groups with newer languages to identify themselves. Which is fine. But you can't legally prosecute people for not knowing new rules that were just made up by the people who want to enforce those rules.

It would be like banning every user on this board who tried to type the word "inc-lude"
His arguments about the Canadian 'law' are complete nonsense. He utterly misrepresents it. The law is not applicable in the way that he states it is. In fact, within his province there has been near identical legialation in place for years. He never complained about the provincial law.

His arguments about being forced by the Federal government or even his own college are specious. He claims he can be fired or jailed, for instance, for mis gendering someone. NOT TRUE. He has made wild accusations about being threatened by his college. Not True. His own university has had to release official statements negating many of his accusations. The rest of his objections are similarly out of the bounds and application of the laws in his province and Canada, and also of the rules he works under at his college.

Like conservative arguments in the 80s and 90s against the armies of PC fanatics in our colleges, Peterson's insistance that his college or country has been taken over by marxist post modernists is simply ridiculous. There are no post modernists. The people he seems to fear so much on college campuses are a tiny number of powerless queers, women and minorities, most of which are just asking that teachers don't mistreat them or insult them in class.

There is not an anti free speech movement on the left or on college campuses. In fact, college students today are MORE supportive of free speech and in the USA seem to be MORE respectful of basic constitutional rights. Peterson is simply another in a decades long conservative media narrative to argue otherwise.

somewhat tangential, but there an interiesting piece in salon.com right now that touches on free speech and college students.

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/07/col...t-you-to-know/

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:16 PM   #101
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This isn't what any Canadian legislation mandates at all.
This


peterson has been all over American Media (like Fox News) with these accusations and they are patently false.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:19 PM   #102
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FTR I am sick to death of talking about whether bigots have great arguments for shitting on people. This is not a thread for arguing about whether Alex Jones is a genious

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:53 PM   #103
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Please stay on topic or I will alert Ram27 to this thread

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:03 PM   #104
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Let's all go for a rainbow unicorn ride!

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:36 PM   #105
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Americans trying to talk about Canadian politics on here is worse than when Canadians are weighing in on American politics.
Sorry, dude.

 
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:17 PM   #106
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Old 10-08-2017, 03:33 AM   #107
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This is an hilarious and emotive repsonse. I feel like Marilyn Manson.

It's easy to forget that his main argument is that his government (Canadian) is trying to force him to learn and use a new language, and he feels that's not how language works.

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

That's insane because there are currently well over 100 "new genders" which are constantly splintering off into smaller and smaller groups with newer languages to identify themselves. Which is fine. But you can't legally prosecute people for not knowing new rules that were just made up by the people who want to enforce those rules.

It would be like banning every user on this board who tried to type the word "inc-lude"
It's true man... My pops was saying the other day that for all the shit that America gets around here, they take freedom and the constitution very seriously and have respect for human rights in a way that Canada doesn't.

Some old man awhile back from a town up from mine had some crack-heads breaking into his compound and he was scared to death, so he went out, shot the one dude in the leg, had the crackheads go scrambling and leave and then within an hour a handful of cop cars are at his door and he's being arrested and ended up having to spend a significant time in the slammer for assault... And of course it's on his criminal record and he can't go to the States anymore or anything... Total joke.

So for all the shit that the USA gets around international circles, you guys should at least be thankful and respect the good aspects of living by your constitution

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 03:45 AM   #108
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There is not an anti free speech movement on the left or on college campuses. In fact, college students today are MORE supportive of free speech and in the USA seem to be MORE respectful of basic constitutional rights. Peterson is simply another in a decades long conservative media narrative to argue otherwise.
Dude... Bill Maher, the biggest liberal mouthpiece was banned from speaking at Berkley cause he was too offensive. Free speech is under attack right now, and it's basically a left-wing thing... Which sucks for you because common sense people are just voting Republican by default because the "micro-aggression" bullshit is too ridiculous for any sane minded person to put up with.

 
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shut the fuck up, fuzzy

 
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***hugs for my friend shallowed***

Forgive a man for what he says in his darkest hours... Accept the man who wants to change

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:53 AM   #111
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:19 AM   #112
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Dude... Bill Maher, the biggest liberal mouthpiece was banned from speaking at Berkley cause he was too offensive. Free speech is under attack right now, and it's basically a left-wing thing... Which sucks for you because common sense people are just voting Republican by default because the "micro-aggression" bullshit is too ridiculous for any sane minded person to put up with.
He was never banned from speaking at Berkeley. The university has not banned him. He was the commencement speaker at their graduation ceremonies 3 years ago.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 08:11 AM   #113
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Well this thread didn't deliver.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:44 AM   #114
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why can't the non conformists have a safe space?

 
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I can't post a gay unicorn gif without some third reich shitlord butting in

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 10:30 AM   #116
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Agreed. If any coloured people don't like the way they feel like they are treated by the authorities in America, they should feel free to move back to whichever country they came from that American authorities fucked up through neoliberalism and regime change.
exactly. mad whites go back to europe!

 
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that guy is a straight up nazi sympathizer, NOT who this thread is for.


You, the dumbfuck pussy leftist, have rendered the meaning of a term like Nazi useless by spreading it to those who argue effectively against the hedonistic, nay nihilistic, nature of the lefts view on just about everything.


You have a man and a woman who follow the cues of their hormones that have been instilled since the dawn of man and you imply this is somehow offensive to those who are not straight.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay but I don't fully understand the push to identify straight folks for being straight as oppressive. This cult like thinking seems to run rampant with the naval-contemplative religious left.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 10:48 AM   #118
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exactly. mad whites go back to europe!
I'll move to Sweden. My mom's people are fun and I like the weather.

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Do I get my selection of which countries from whence my ancestors originated, or is it like a dice roll, or...?

 
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its 2pm and im still wearing only my underwear.

if i make it till nightfall i'm a "pajampion"

 
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