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08-21-2007, 11:40 PM | #211 |
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I have like 50 million childrens bibles in my house. so fun... I used to read them like nuts.
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08-21-2007, 11:42 PM | #212 |
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are you equating my glorious graphic Bible to a children's Bible?!
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08-21-2007, 11:43 PM | #213 | |
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fundamentally, thats the issue at play here, thats what i think this boils down to: either you respect evidence and reason or you dont. i think if you ignore them you signify that you are not being honest and pretty much preclude yourself from serious consideration (why argue if, regardless of what is said, you will always and forever go on believing what you do?). the point isnt that you have to reject christianity, its that you have to be fundamentally willing to if sufficient justification arises. without that fundamental willingness, you have no reason to really claim what you believe is true, because it is whether or not it is. |
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08-21-2007, 11:46 PM | #214 |
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I find the idea of the cafeteria christian, which is displayed prominently in this thread, to be a bit suspect. Seems like in today's world people will just pick and choose from Christianity what they feel is right and then quietly reject from it what they believe is wrong. If people are going to have such a utilitarian approach to Christianity why not just simply be a utilitarian and throw out the pretext of Jesus and god? Because the idea of a christian god is incredibly ludicrous (as opposed to maybe a more metaphysical god rather than who has a face and personality and calls shots) as has been demonstrated by illustrating the fallacy of the earth being 6,000 years old or methusela living 900 years, it leads me to conclude that people still cherish these things because they associate it with their childhood, its what their parents ingrained int hem and that people feel guilty to turn their backs on those kidns of things. It seems thats where a lot of this humouring of christianity stems from.
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08-21-2007, 11:57 PM | #215 |
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08-22-2007, 12:10 AM | #216 |
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they lived with man . . . AT THE SAME TIME!
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08-22-2007, 12:10 AM | #217 | ||
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08-22-2007, 12:19 AM | #218 | |
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I see we've gotten back to saying interesting things, but I'd just like to confirm that I have no real bibles in my house except the New Testament... I'll probably borrow one from my friend.
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I don't really know how to explain it, if there's any way to... it's just the way some people are, I suppose. |
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08-22-2007, 12:22 AM | #219 | |
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08-22-2007, 12:22 AM | #220 |
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my God is an awesome God.
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08-22-2007, 12:23 AM | #221 | |
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08-22-2007, 12:24 AM | #222 | |
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eh.. i dont know if this argument holds much water. Angular momentum must be conserved always with our current understanding of physics (even in nuclear reactions, hence neutrinos and anti-neutrinos). But something on the order of a big bang would be far to large and complex to use our solar system as a representative sample of what the rest of the universe is doing. Angular momentum could be conserved, if somewhere else in the universe a planet with twice the mass is spinning in the opposite direction. |
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08-22-2007, 12:25 AM | #223 | |
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with wisdom power and love |
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08-22-2007, 12:26 AM | #224 |
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JSP552003 you must have watched that 2 hr video where the preacher basically dismantles evolution with some interesting facts and science know how.
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08-22-2007, 12:28 AM | #225 |
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Please, ignore all these people... pleeeeaaase. This is like my favorite netphoria thread.
There are many flaws in evolution as far as I can tell (though I'm no expert, either... science is my weakest subject by far. My brain doesn't like thinking "logically," I guess ) but there are many flaws in everything as far as I can tell. Just from reading this thread it's been reinforced that however concrete you THINK your beliefs are, they can almost always be countered by someone else. Just because nothing is really, 100% proven about how we GOT here, and isn't that what this is sorta all coming to be about? Who/what made the universe? What caused all of this to happen? While I find it infinitely fascinating to read everyone's points on this (because I admit that you all seem to know a heckofalot more about this than I do), I don't think that once this thread dies off (or gets closed) I'll be any closer to the absolute truth. Because, like I said, I don't think there really IS an absolute truth... |
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08-22-2007, 12:30 AM | #226 | |
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Also, there's dark matter which makes up a majority of this universe, and we still have no idea what it is or what it can do or what its purpose is. (just throwing that out there) |
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08-22-2007, 12:30 AM | #227 | |
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i can see your point and you may very well be right. i just found it interesting. |
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08-22-2007, 12:31 AM | #228 |
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the truth is out there....
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08-22-2007, 12:31 AM | #229 |
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Hey... so do you Christians believe in aliens? Heck, do you non-Christians believe in aliens? Not in the little-green-guy, Men In Black sort of way... just intelligent life on other planets.
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08-22-2007, 12:33 AM | #230 | |
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08-22-2007, 12:34 AM | #231 | ||
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08-22-2007, 12:34 AM | #232 |
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My sister in particular can't accept my whole "The only real truth is that there is no real truth" way of thinking. For some reason she is obsessed with seeing things in black and white--all things. It's quite an annoying quality, for it makes for boring conversation.
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08-22-2007, 12:35 AM | #233 | |
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08-22-2007, 12:35 AM | #234 | |
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haha yeah i have. he brought up some great points actually but i don't agree with everything he said. something i've always believed is that you have to look at everything from different perspectives. his debates are more interesting though because he actually has people arguing for evolution. |
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08-22-2007, 12:36 AM | #235 | |
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WHOA!!! MINDFUCK!! |
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08-22-2007, 12:36 AM | #236 | |
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I'm not saying that all religions are wrong, no no no. I'm saying I don't think I'll EVER understand how someone can accept that only ONE is right. In this whole big world of religion, why is it that Christianity can be the only Truth? Especially when religions are all soooo similar. |
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08-22-2007, 12:37 AM | #237 | |
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08-22-2007, 12:40 AM | #238 | |
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"how can you tell how old the rock is?" "we can tell how old the rock is by what fossil is in it" "how can you tell how old the fossil is?" "we can tell how old the fossil is by what rock it is in" |
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08-22-2007, 12:42 AM | #239 | ||
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also, the bottom line always has to be that i try hard not to come off as judgemental, rather explaining what i believe when asked. |
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08-22-2007, 12:44 AM | #240 | |
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meh.. breaks down like this mater -> atoms atoms -> electrons, protons and neutrons those things -> quarks quarks -> no body knows. Strings? (string theory.. no hard evidence) strings -> fucked if i know fucked if i know -> ??? etc etc etc finally.. little tiny bundles of pure energy. Tiny little bundles of pure energy? from where? WTF?? dont even get me started on gravitons. |
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