Zeitgeist - Album Chart Thread - Page 7

paranoid · 07-22-2007, 10:06 PM

check out "All You Need To Know About the Music Business" by donald Passman for all the details on recording contracts and how they are dealt, who makes what and how the artists are paid.

also, MCIS sold a lot in its prime, but i dont think it's flying off the shelves these days. Im sure Billy's not collecting a large sum of money on a yearly basis for this record anymore, same with all of the others.

Dominion · 07-23-2007, 10:12 AM

Zeitgeist drops to number 33 in the UK charts...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums.shtml

Dr B DDS · 07-23-2007, 11:58 AM

Doesn't Billy get a larger cut of each album since Martha's Music (the actual label the record is on, WB just distributes it I think) is really just a corporation or label name for Billy Corgan? Plus, it has always been said that the money comes from touring and merch, not record sales. That's why we pay $30-40 for a damn t-shirt that the band has all of $4 invested in overhead...

blue_june_destroyer · 07-23-2007, 08:26 PM

Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise!

I'm just glad they're making music again - I'm a collector, so I really couldn't care less about the upwards of $200 that I spent on Zeitgeist editions and merch so far this year.

TuralyonW3 · 07-23-2007, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue_june_destroyer

Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise!

the band

monkeyfritters · 07-23-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue_june_destroyer

Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise!

I'm just glad they're making music again - I'm a collector, so I really couldn't care less about the upwards of $200 that I spent on Zeitgeist editions and merch so far this year.

whoa.

wHATcOLOR · 07-23-2007, 09:08 PM

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

SpFission · 07-23-2007, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wHATcOLOR

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

I agree.

Dogfighter28 · 07-23-2007, 09:14 PM

If anyone thinks this album is going to hit it big, please save yourself the disappointment.

SpFission · 07-23-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

If anyone thinks this album is going to hit it big, please save yourself the disappointment.

quiet you.

Dogfighter28 · 07-23-2007, 09:18 PM

Cause Bring the Light doesn't exactly fit in next to mall punk, nu metal, and rap

SpFission · 07-23-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

Cause Bring the Light doesn't exactly fit in next to mall punk, nu metal, and rap

I think it would be a great single....of course it wouldn't be a huge crossover hit or anything, but I think it would at least sustain Zeitgeist in the charts somewhat.

Pug Superstar · 07-24-2007, 12:15 AM

I think Bring the Light could make a good single. Of course, the two songs on the album that I think would work the best as singles seem to be the two everyone but me hates: (Come On) Let's Go and Starz. I think COLG would appeal to the casual fans out there who just want to hear a good, straightforward rock song with some cool riffs and lead work. Starz, I believe, would appeal to those who are looking for something odd that stands out but is still catchy.

I know the netphorians have been ripping these two songs a new asshole for whatever reason, but I seriously think both of them would be much stronger singles than That's the Way. It's not that I think That's the Way is a bad song; I just think it comes off a little too "poppy" and will end up turning off people for that reason. The more I've listened to the song, the more I think that Billy wasn't trying to make it uber-pop radio friendly, but radio listeners who aren't as attuned to SP as the hardcore fans are may write it off in favor of Insert-Emo-Band-Here's new song about cutting themselves.

questionsleep · 07-24-2007, 03:42 PM

On Hits Daily Double nearly 70% sales are in and Zeitgeist is standing at #18 with sales of about 18,000.

So it appears although the album will more than likely climb several spots on the chart, it doesn't appear like it will be in the top 10 in it's second week.

I Like Birds · 07-24-2007, 04:29 PM

Their final chart has it at #13 with 37,158 sold. Massive decline, and really if there's not a big turnaround it'll be a big test for Billy Corgan's future. It's no secret that he wants to a big sales success, but if he comes to terms with the possibility that 1m copies sold worldwide of each future album is about the ceiling, he might just find himself in a pretty cool, relaxed place artistically.

The likes of, for example, Tom Waits, Nick Cave & Leonard Cohen have never, ever had the luxury of being as huge as Corgan (even today he has far more 'built in' sales from a pretty sizeable hardcore) yet they've all ploughed a very solid artistic furrow and have produced myriad classic albums & made many, many millions of $$££ between them without ever attempting to hit the top of the charts.

wHATcOLOR · 07-24-2007, 04:33 PM

it'd suck if they called it quits after this album/tour because it didn't do as well as past albums

Pug Superstar · 07-24-2007, 05:06 PM

I'm SO worried that will happen. And that would totally fucking suck. The only saving grace about that situation is that at least it would mean that SP went out with a great album instead of Machina. (I know this is a matter of opinion of course, but I think Zeitgeist is a much better effort than Machina I or II).

harrow · 07-24-2007, 05:19 PM

Too bad the t shirts are so ugly!

if there is a llama · 07-24-2007, 05:27 PM

I doubt they'll call it quits again because of poor record sales. I think Billy really just wanted his band/songs back.

He wouldn't be surprised by poor record sales after Adore and Machina. Hell, this album has already sold way more than TFE did.

They'll probably make alot more from touring than they would even if the album sold well.

I'm guessing/hoping Billy will be content with being able to tour and almost always selling out 3000-5000 people venues. That's not a bad living.

I'd be surprised if they quit after one album and tour. Billy and company have put alot of effort into getting a touring band together (rehersing, learning old songs, building chemistry), and I don't think he would want to waste that effort, especially when the new members have not been able to contribute anything to an album yet.

oddhandle · 07-24-2007, 05:53 PM

The thing is, I doubt he will continue to sell out shows. Once the revival thing wears off people won't be driven to the tour by new material. The venues will get smaller and smaller until he's playing state fairs and rib cook-offs.

daevil1 · 07-24-2007, 05:54 PM

Dont claim it to have poor sales yet, the second single hasnt even been released yet. If that catches on, it could re-enter the top 10 and stay for a while. Many albums do this although I doubt it will happen.

Gossamer · 07-24-2007, 06:01 PM

That's The Way is not a strong enough 2nd single for that to happen though.

I agree that Bring The Light would of been a fantastic choice.

harrow · 06:56 PM

questionsleep · 07-24-2007, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daevil1

Dont claim it to have poor sales yet, the second single hasnt even been released yet. If that catches on, it could re-enter the top 10 and stay for a while. Many albums do this although I doubt it will happen.

Yeah, I agree. It's a possibility that if the second single is a success, the album will get a reboost in the sales department.

I think the second single needs to be rushed to radio, by the time the second single is released in September the album in all likliness will have dropped off the top 200.

WhiteHotSoul · 07-24-2007, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wHATcOLOR

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

Quoted for truth.

Virex Kills · 07-24-2007, 09:53 PM

#13 isnt bad considering previous drops. Didnt machina sink like mad? Or was it MSOTS? Or both?

marymary · 07-24-2007, 10:36 PM

Second week at #1 in new zealand:

http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp

Woot!

uncannyy · 07-24-2007, 11:24 PM

Well, it's probably going to hold more #1's in other countries. The US isn't exactly the be-all and end-all.

Anyway, #13 is pretty good... I agree that a radio single should be released now to sustain sales.

Pug Superstar · 07-25-2007, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrow

Too bad the t shirts are so ugly!

Yes, this is clearly the reason the album hasn't sold a million copies yet.

Effloresce · 07-25-2007, 08:51 AM

to the OP: Could you gather the latest results and update them in the first post so we don't have to dig through the thread and all of the unnecessary bullshit ("too bad the t-shirts are ugly, LOLOL")

07-24-2007, 06:33 PM	#203
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07-22-2007, 10:06 PM	#181
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	check out "All You Need To Know About the Music Business" by donald Passman for all the details on recording contracts and how they are dealt, who makes what and how the artists are paid. also, MCIS sold a lot in its prime, but i dont think it's flying off the shelves these days. Im sure Billy's not collecting a large sum of money on a yearly basis for this record anymore, same with all of the others.

07-23-2007, 10:12 AM	#182
Dominion Pledge Location: Where have my thousands of posts gone??? Posts: 157	Zeitgeist drops to number 33 in the UK charts... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums.shtml

07-23-2007, 11:58 AM	#183
Dr B DDS Pledge Location: North Carolina Posts: 85	Doesn't Billy get a larger cut of each album since Martha's Music (the actual label the record is on, WB just distributes it I think) is really just a corporation or label name for Billy Corgan? Plus, it has always been said that the money comes from touring and merch, not record sales. That's why we pay $30-40 for a damn t-shirt that the band has all of $4 invested in overhead...

07-23-2007, 08:26 PM	#184
blue_june_destroyer Pledge Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 205	Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise! I'm just glad they're making music again - I'm a collector, so I really couldn't care less about the upwards of $200 that I spent on Zeitgeist editions and merch so far this year.

07-23-2007, 09:08 PM	#187
wHATcOLOR THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Location: \|\| MY NAME IS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID ROCK!! Posts: 47,245	i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

07-23-2007, 09:14 PM	#189
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,480	If anyone thinks this album is going to hit it big, please save yourself the disappointment.

07-23-2007, 09:18 PM	#191
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,480	Cause Bring the Light doesn't exactly fit in next to mall punk, nu metal, and rap

07-24-2007, 12:15 AM	#193
Pug Superstar Demi-God Location: A thousand smiles away Posts: 293	I think Bring the Light could make a good single. Of course, the two songs on the album that I think would work the best as singles seem to be the two everyone but me hates: (Come On) Let's Go and Starz. I think COLG would appeal to the casual fans out there who just want to hear a good, straightforward rock song with some cool riffs and lead work. Starz, I believe, would appeal to those who are looking for something odd that stands out but is still catchy. I know the netphorians have been ripping these two songs a new asshole for whatever reason, but I seriously think both of them would be much stronger singles than That's the Way. It's not that I think That's the Way is a bad song; I just think it comes off a little too "poppy" and will end up turning off people for that reason. The more I've listened to the song, the more I think that Billy wasn't trying to make it uber-pop radio friendly, but radio listeners who aren't as attuned to SP as the hardcore fans are may write it off in favor of Insert-Emo-Band-Here's new song about cutting themselves.

07-24-2007, 03:42 PM	#194
questionsleep Pledge Posts: 68	On Hits Daily Double nearly 70% sales are in and Zeitgeist is standing at #18 with sales of about 18,000. So it appears although the album will more than likely climb several spots on the chart, it doesn't appear like it will be in the top 10 in it's second week.

07-24-2007, 04:29 PM	#195
I Like Birds Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 18	Their final chart has it at #13 with 37,158 sold. Massive decline, and really if there's not a big turnaround it'll be a big test for Billy Corgan's future. It's no secret that he wants to a big sales success, but if he comes to terms with the possibility that 1m copies sold worldwide of each future album is about the ceiling, he might just find himself in a pretty cool, relaxed place artistically. The likes of, for example, Tom Waits, Nick Cave & Leonard Cohen have never, ever had the luxury of being as huge as Corgan (even today he has far more 'built in' sales from a pretty sizeable hardcore) yet they've all ploughed a very solid artistic furrow and have produced myriad classic albums & made many, many millions of $$££ between them without ever attempting to hit the top of the charts.

07-24-2007, 04:33 PM	#196
wHATcOLOR THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Location: \|\| MY NAME IS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID ROCK!! Posts: 47,245	it'd suck if they called it quits after this album/tour because it didn't do as well as past albums

07-24-2007, 05:06 PM	#197
Pug Superstar Demi-God Location: A thousand smiles away Posts: 293	I'm SO worried that will happen. And that would totally fucking suck. The only saving grace about that situation is that at least it would mean that SP went out with a great album instead of Machina. (I know this is a matter of opinion of course, but I think Zeitgeist is a much better effort than Machina I or II).

07-24-2007, 05:19 PM	#198
harrow Demi-God Posts: 371	Too bad the t shirts are so ugly!

07-24-2007, 05:27 PM	#199
if there is a llama Demi-God Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 435	I doubt they'll call it quits again because of poor record sales. I think Billy really just wanted his band/songs back. He wouldn't be surprised by poor record sales after Adore and Machina. Hell, this album has already sold way more than TFE did. They'll probably make alot more from touring than they would even if the album sold well. I'm guessing/hoping Billy will be content with being able to tour and almost always selling out 3000-5000 people venues. That's not a bad living. I'd be surprised if they quit after one album and tour. Billy and company have put alot of effort into getting a touring band together (rehersing, learning old songs, building chemistry), and I don't think he would want to waste that effort, especially when the new members have not been able to contribute anything to an album yet.

07-24-2007, 05:53 PM	#200
oddhandle Pledge Posts: 176	The thing is, I doubt he will continue to sell out shows. Once the revival thing wears off people won't be driven to the tour by new material. The venues will get smaller and smaller until he's playing state fairs and rib cook-offs.

07-24-2007, 05:54 PM	#201
daevil1 Demi-God Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 299	Dont claim it to have poor sales yet, the second single hasnt even been released yet. If that catches on, it could re-enter the top 10 and stay for a while. Many albums do this although I doubt it will happen.

07-24-2007, 06:01 PM	#202
Gossamer Apocalyptic Poster Location: We got it like three quarters of the way in whilst on vacation last week. Minor success. Unfortunately she is leaving for England in a couple of days. Posts: 3,832	That's The Way is not a strong enough 2nd single for that to happen though. I agree that Bring The Light would of been a fantastic choice.

07-24-2007, 09:53 PM	#206
Virex Kills Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,085	#13 isnt bad considering previous drops. Didnt machina sink like mad? Or was it MSOTS? Or both?

07-24-2007, 10:36 PM	#207
marymary Pledge Location: New Zealand Posts: 144	Second week at #1 in new zealand: http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp Woot!

07-24-2007, 11:24 PM	#208
uncannyy Oblivious Virgin Posts: 34	Well, it's probably going to hold more #1's in other countries. The US isn't exactly the be-all and end-all. Anyway, #13 is pretty good... I agree that a radio single should be released now to sustain sales.

07-25-2007, 08:51 AM	#210
Effloresce Banned Posts: 5,018	to the OP: Could you gather the latest results and update them in the first post so we don't have to dig through the thread and all of the unnecessary bullshit ("too bad the t-shirts are ugly, LOLOL")