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01-18-2018, 10:54 AM | #1 |
Socialphobic
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When's billy gonna give up
Seeing Jeff in the studio is a clear indicator that the next album is gonna be another flop.
When is billy just gonna pack it up and give up with the music? I wish it was in 2000, but I'll accept 2018. |
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01-18-2018, 11:09 AM | #2 |
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funny to see the biggest fans become the biggest haters. myself included. perhaps we expected too much from billy.
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01-18-2018, 11:15 AM | #3 |
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I don't like or listen to his new material, but I don't personally hope he gives up doing whatever the fuck he gets fulfillment doing just because it doesn't appeal to me.
I mean, it's not like I'm forced to listen to it or anything. |
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01-18-2018, 11:36 AM | #4 |
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I've thought about making this thread recently. Everything he has done this last decade has been completely backwards. Nothing feels like a band and none of it feels truly finished. This is something that has gotten worse as time has gone on. He really is a genius in need of an editor. I think he is still capable of writing good material. Oceania had a lot of potential, but the drumming (Byrne/samples/production), lack of fully realized sonic conclusions and those god-awful keyboard tones ruin it. That's something that has plagued Billy for ten years now and they were outdated when he started Teargarden. I can’t say I have zero interest because even though I know it will suck (even a full reunion/too many negative factors) but I still want to see what happens. It’s more “gawk at the car wreck” than any type of legitimate enjoyment or emotional investment. My biggest gripe is that I can still hear brilliance in him. His execution has just been so terrible that he’s unredeemable now.
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01-18-2018, 11:49 AM | #5 |
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Just distance yourself from Bill and his work. Go in with no expectations rather than repeatedly checking for updates while telling yourself it's going to suck for two years before you arrive at a foregone conclusion.
I don't see Jeff's presence in the studio as any kind of indicator of quality, better or worse, because he IS the hired gun people like to make James and D'Arcy out to be. Anyway, I don't think anybody hereabouts could accurately describe what they would estimate to be a "good" SP album in this day and age, knows what it would entail, and certainly wouldn't agree with anyone else on said criteria. |
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01-18-2018, 12:28 PM | #6 |
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I'm not saying "be optimistic" because the last ten years haven't given much of any reason to be, but having Jimmy and James present has to count for something.
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01-18-2018, 12:42 PM | #7 |
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I get where you are coming from but I do this with other bands (endless following of social media) and they rarely disappoint me like Billy/Pumpkins.
I heavily dislike Jeff as a guitarist. He is technically proficient but his lack of character is undeniable. Every concert I went to he just clashed so hard with Billy’s style. I don’t care for James’ playing all that much either, though. Seeing Jeff there contributing to whatever this is, is a bad sign for me. Him being a hired gun is one of the other big problems. Jeff doesn’t challenge Billy, but I guess you could argue that Billy is beyond being challengeable at this point. That is the main reason he will never have another real band. He can do no wrong in his eyes, I mean he though Run2Me was releasable. Obviously, everyone will have their own opinions but I believe we can agree that having Jimmy onboard, a good bassist, a real producer, fully realized songs, absolutely no keyboards would be one hell of a start. Please just give me the MASCHINA reissue. |
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01-18-2018, 12:45 PM | #8 |
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01-18-2018, 01:13 PM | #9 |
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I think there's a chance Billy actually might be a bit more open to being challenged nowadays - he might be in a space where he might feel he needs band validation to continue with the SP name.
Because I think MTAE failing as hard as it did fucked him up way way worse than anyone realized. Not only did he gain a shit ton of weight like he did after Gish, he basically started through stages of grief. Denial, anger, "nobody believes I made a three star record". You could call what's been happening since the Plainsong tour and currently bargaining and acceptance. When you look at the shit ton of songs he wrote in 1998-2000 about his band falling apart and ending - more than a handful - it's obvious his music is something that means a lot to him. I think he finally realized he ran the SP name into the ground when MTAE failed to make any kind of impression whatsoever and it broke him for a while, hence wilderness years of synth experiments because he had no idea what else to do and just needed to try something different. Yeah, I don't think he's ever going to hang it up or that he'd know how to. I'd really like to think D'Arcy's present via Skype calls or whathaveyou and she's offering input even if she's not with them in the studio. She'd probably go "fuck it, what do you need me for, you can perform the bass parts". |
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01-18-2018, 02:03 PM | #10 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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Putting the blame on Jeff is ridiculous. If it sucks it's because Billy's lost the heartfires. No amount of Jimmy Jamez or even Darcy contributing will change that.
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01-18-2018, 02:06 PM | #11 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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01-18-2018, 02:09 PM | #12 |
Socialphobic
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don't tell me don't tell me don't tell me... Yellow Light Orchestra?
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01-18-2018, 02:30 PM | #13 | |
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01-18-2018, 02:34 PM | #14 |
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01-18-2018, 02:36 PM | #15 |
Socialphobic
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I think wheat paste was also one of the co-producers
the fucking idiot's lead single was called "being beige". Seriously? he's in a rock band and he thinks being bland is a viable option? Bland doesn't even cut it for tommy-lee dad rock. All the drugs have really turned on him. poor billy. |
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01-18-2018, 02:50 PM | #16 |
Minion of Satan
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BILLY should make a song about "Being Bald"...
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....11b368w9KL.jpg |
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01-18-2018, 03:13 PM | #17 |
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We brought this up in another thread but Billy just takes the sucking to a whole new level. Imagine Black Sabbath making bad happy acoustic guitar music in their post-successful career. Billy was a ferocious guitar monster during the era of guitar revival. He was Zero, he was Glass, hell he was still Billy. Why can't he just stop at putting out shitty songs? Why does he have to make shitty anemic circus sounding music? Some of his SP2 material makes Queen look like Doom Metal.
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01-18-2018, 03:29 PM | #18 |
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Jeff has been working with Billy almost as long as James had in the original incarnation of the band.
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01-18-2018, 03:55 PM | #19 | |
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01-18-2018, 03:55 PM | #20 |
FKA Siamese33
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Also, I really don't think James is gonna be on whatever they're recording right now.
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01-18-2018, 04:50 PM | #21 | |
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01-18-2018, 04:50 PM | #22 |
Ownz
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mtae and ogilala wasn t so bad
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01-18-2018, 04:51 PM | #23 |
Braindead
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also "Changes" is a thing
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01-18-2018, 04:57 PM | #24 |
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IMHO Billy's problems could be solved if he'd simply follow his artistic muse and let the cards fall as they may. The problem is that he's internalized the music industry to the point where he doesn't even need a label executive to crush his own dreams.
He gave up this attitude briefly with the recording Ogilala, but it looks like he's already back on his old shit. Howard and Jeff do not improve his music. They're employees of Billy the Music Industry Man. |
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01-18-2018, 05:04 PM | #25 |
Socialphobic
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01-18-2018, 06:07 PM | #26 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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I wonder if there are other boards where hardcore fanz shit on their formerly adored artist and talk about switching allegiance to a certain Japanese band.
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01-18-2018, 06:30 PM | #27 |
Socialphobic
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I've been under the impression that he gave up a long time ago.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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01-18-2018, 06:49 PM | #28 |
Virgo
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my man is just punching the clock.
what else is he going to do? get a real job? |
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01-18-2018, 07:07 PM | #29 |
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01-18-2018, 07:35 PM | #30 |
Braindead
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he's prob more focused on the wrestling stuff, tbh
definitely gotta be more profitable at this point |
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