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04-12-2018, 02:50 AM | #151 |
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slash is 1/2 african american
disrespect to rock music? |
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04-12-2018, 05:14 AM | #152 |
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04-12-2018, 05:16 AM | #153 |
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04-12-2018, 06:31 AM | #154 | |
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04-12-2018, 06:34 AM | #155 | |
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04-12-2018, 06:37 AM | #156 |
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Remember when Axl Rose sang that song about getting away from "niggers and police"? Such a brilliant band.
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04-12-2018, 07:14 AM | #157 |
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WHEN IS IT 187 ON A MOTHERFUCKING COP I AIN'T GOT ALL DAY
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04-12-2018, 07:44 AM | #158 |
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YOU CAN HEAR THE CRICKETS
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04-12-2018, 07:57 AM | #159 |
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04-12-2018, 07:57 AM | #160 |
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04-12-2018, 11:03 AM | #161 | ||
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I would have to see the actual study, which is not named on that article. See, I don't read clickbait headlines and assume they are telling the entire story. Maybe it is. But I predict a high level of correlation does not equal causation. Care to find and link the actual study to me? |
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04-12-2018, 11:08 AM | #162 |
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inmates eat lots of ramen noodles
think about that! |
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04-12-2018, 12:14 PM | #163 | ||
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04-12-2018, 12:43 PM | #164 |
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to be fair fuzzy said it seems to attract criminals
not that listening to rap causes criminal behavior I don't see this as any different than dinosaur guitar bands attracting bohemians in their time and place as well |
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04-12-2018, 03:07 PM | #165 |
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it's probably as a simple as rap listeners are largely black, and black people in the USA are more likely to be arrested and convicted of violent crimes. why they are more likely to be criminals is a huge sociological debate but it certainly has nothing to do with rap music. therefore, this study has nothing to do with fuzzy's argument that rap music itself is associated with violence independent of other factors (e.g. "the white people i know who like rap are mostly criminals")
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04-12-2018, 03:10 PM | #166 |
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fuzzy do you need me to explain this more simply. i'd really like you to understand why this study is so majorly flawed. and it's not just this study - a large amount of psych studies have this same problem, and is why you shouldn't take articles at face value. it's a good starting point to examining a phenomenon because you can say "it seems like the are related in some way, although I can't tell how" but that's all it is.
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04-12-2018, 08:05 PM | #167 |
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I realize I was being controversial, but pretty much every lousy criminal that I've come across in life has been a rap fan. Sure, it's a small sample size, but you look at a lot of these white criminals and what do they dress like? It's always more or less a hip-hop kind of fashion sense. I think it's because these low IQ people who think being a criminal is cool can listen to hip-hop and get that kind of life style to be glorified or at the least represented.
I realize nowadays there's "introspective rap" like Kendrick Lamaar and shit, but really, you think of that "thug life" stereotype and where does it stem from? rap music. For example, I'd bet my life that if you had a concert hall full of say Pavement fans versus a concert hall full of Tech 9 fans that you'd have more criminals at the Tech 9 show. |
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04-12-2018, 08:06 PM | #168 |
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All of this is either here nor there though. It doesn't really matter. I just find a lot of the most famous rap music to be far too negative for my tastes, and when there's upbeat positive rap it just seems lame.
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04-12-2018, 08:09 PM | #169 |
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Thanks for the explanation, Grunge Guy.
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04-12-2018, 08:09 PM | #170 |
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Sobriety treating you OK?
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04-12-2018, 08:11 PM | #171 | |
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I'm a smart guy. I realize for a long time drinking was an impulsive thing for me, so I have the awareness to nip it in the bud. The problem with a lot of addicts is that they lack personal introspection. I wish it didn't take me so long to see things clearly, as I've wasted a lot of time, but better late than never. |
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04-12-2018, 08:14 PM | #172 |
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Yeah, I mean, I'm technically not sober... But I'm not casually drinking by myself anymore. I'll go drinking once or twice a week, and when I do I'm being really cognizant about doing it responsibly.
For example, I went out drinking on the weekend, and when I did, I made sure to only have a few beers beforehand, as opposed to what I'd usually do and get drunk beforehand in an effort to "save money"... Sure, buying drinks at an establishment is a lot more costly, but at least when I do that I'm not shit-faced and out of my mind. Of course buying a few double rum and cokes for 11 bucks a piece is kinda stupid, but better than being off my rocker. |
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04-12-2018, 08:16 PM | #173 |
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All of this introspection, and yet you fail to see a pattern emerging...
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04-12-2018, 08:17 PM | #174 | |
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04-12-2018, 08:33 PM | #175 |
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04-12-2018, 08:53 PM | #176 |
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pretty sure my next alt account will be "Rap Guy"
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04-12-2018, 09:04 PM | #177 | ||
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it is ultimately a byproduct for different people having different experiences and expressing that thru a creative medium. rap may factually be more linked to crime, but there's little or no causality involved (or at least, no more than in the case of a death metal listener committing mass homicide). the music may be more inclined towards a particular topic that is non constructive or violent, but it's just because that is what's happening in those people's lives. not everybody gets dealt the same cards and that sucks, but that's a whole other thing. ultimately we're all juts people and we all eat and breathe and shit the same, and all these distinctions and classifications (like rap = poor black ppl music, shoegaze = sophisticated british elite music) are bullshit and say way more about us than about the art itself. |
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04-12-2018, 09:22 PM | #178 |
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I think hip hop and rock have similar subject matter but one is Blacker and that is why it offends fuzzy
I wanna RocknRoll all night and party everyday |
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04-12-2018, 09:25 PM | #179 |
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People that listen to blues are more likely to work in a chain gang at the dawn of the 20th century.
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04-12-2018, 09:26 PM | #180 |
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@ Elph: It doesn't offend me, it's just less musical. I've always been a big guitar nut, and I've always been obsessed about how certain instruments blend together. There just isn't much in the way of interesting instrumentation in rap music. It's all vocal driven, and the vocals are often very aggressive.
Or you get the new rap now like Drake and Lil Wayne where it's all auto-tuned to death... I think I actually hate that shit more. I just think it sucks... No offense to anyone who's inspired by it. |
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