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04-27-2012, 08:56 PM | #121 |
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04-27-2012, 09:13 PM | #122 |
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You didn't even address the argument itself though, other than calling it nonsense.
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04-27-2012, 09:14 PM | #123 |
huh
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what argument?
you said appropriations of culture were harmless, which is idiotic coming from some random white male. you don't know shit about shit. |
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04-27-2012, 09:15 PM | #124 |
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also, "apologise?"
you're not british |
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04-27-2012, 09:21 PM | #125 |
Braindead
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I'm not American, either.
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04-27-2012, 09:23 PM | #126 |
huh
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ah
i get you and 28if confused |
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04-27-2012, 09:40 PM | #127 | |
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Maybe as a New Zealander I'm simply more comfortable with what little native culture we have left that is ingrained into our society. I can't speak for all New Zealanders obviously but I would guess that it's widely deemed acceptable for a group of white or mostly white people to perform a haka. For example during the opening ceremony of the Rugby World Cup (ugh) last year, I witnessed a skinny, shirtless white guy climb up on top of one of these bus shelter things and do a bastardised haka and everyone freaking loved it and no-one got all "'scuse me white boy, that's an offensive misappropriation of Maori culture" |
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04-27-2012, 09:43 PM | #128 |
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well again
it's not up to you, is it? and this post makes it sound like you want it to be. fuck off. |
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04-27-2012, 09:51 PM | #129 |
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You sound like you want me to want it to be up to me so you can be right.
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04-27-2012, 09:53 PM | #130 |
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or you want it to be up to new zealanders more generally?
the thread was started by someone who found something offensive. and you barged in to say "well I DON'T FIND THIS OTHER THING OFFENSIVE AND NEITHER DO SOME OTHER PEOPLE" as if any of that is relevant. so again fuck off. |
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04-27-2012, 10:00 PM | #131 |
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Ugh, no of course I don't want it to "be up to [anyone]", I thought that was obvious by now. Sorry if it seemed like I "barged in" but I only saw this thread once it was four pages in, I was just offering my opinion the whole time, as you do on a fucking discussion forum and I don't have to fuck off because you don't like it.
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04-27-2012, 10:04 PM | #132 |
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i was just offering my opinion about when people should and should not be offended ugh
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04-27-2012, 10:04 PM | #133 |
huh
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it's just my opinion, man.
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04-27-2012, 10:25 PM | #134 |
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I can't believe you're still saying that I think that someone ought not to be offended, because I don't think that.
Basically for me what it comes down to was that I'm not offended by the Native American headdresses or the chanting, Starla is, and maybe if she put herself in the shoes of the white kids wearing shit that's not their own culture, she could find in herself a reason to find it acceptable. |
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04-27-2012, 10:33 PM | #135 |
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04-27-2012, 10:33 PM | #136 |
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running around dressed up as a racial or cultural stereotype to go see some white bands with your white friends makes you a piece of shit. have some appreciation for your unique position as a privileged white person and recognize that your entire existence, including and especially your ability to wear a war bonnet to Florence and the Machine, represents the spoils of not just past, but present oppression of indigenous people.
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04-27-2012, 10:48 PM | #137 | ||
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04-27-2012, 10:51 PM | #138 |
huh
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holy shit you're dumb
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04-27-2012, 10:53 PM | #139 |
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if I weren't hungover I would answer that. in the meantime maybe you should ask your non-white friends.
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04-27-2012, 10:58 PM | #140 |
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04-27-2012, 11:02 PM | #141 |
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I weep every night for the plight of white people
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04-27-2012, 11:04 PM | #142 |
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I didn't even mean to get caught up in this debate. I'd have preferred it if I didn't have something to occupy my time with, but for once I do and this has distracted me. And I have linked this thread to a Native American descendant and another New Zealander. I can't remember what his heritage is but from memory it is mixed, I'll have to ask him.
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04-27-2012, 11:09 PM | #143 |
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04-27-2012, 11:11 PM | #144 |
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this thread is giving me a hangover.
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04-27-2012, 11:11 PM | #145 |
Brazilian Blouselord
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looooooooool
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04-27-2012, 11:12 PM | #146 |
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Basically what you're saying is
* White ancestors warred with and slaughtered Native Americans centuries ago (a sad fact) * Therefore white people today need to stick to their own culture (whatever that even is) and avoid associating themselves with traditional Native American attire, lest they channel the oppression of their ancestors into the present civilised world. Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting. I won't tell you to fuck off or nothing. |
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04-27-2012, 11:12 PM | #147 | |
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04-27-2012, 11:18 PM | #148 | |
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Second, wearing ritualistic garb to a music festival means you don't care about what it means to begin with. And if you did know about the cultural significance of said garb, and were aware of the second-class status of native Americans then you're just an insensitive asshole. which is your right. you're still an asshole though. Nobody says that white people should "stick to their own culture". But stepping out requires a lot more effort than donning a village people costume. Last edited by john's ego : 04-27-2012 at 11:23 PM. |
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04-27-2012, 11:21 PM | #149 | |
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make like 28if and stop posting |
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04-27-2012, 11:23 PM | #150 |
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Last edited by Starla : 05-04-2012 at 11:23 PM. |
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