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07-06-2017, 10:36 PM | #61 |
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07-06-2017, 10:45 PM | #62 |
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no, fellow, i have got you:
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07-07-2017, 06:11 AM | #63 |
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07-07-2017, 09:07 AM | #64 |
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i think the production on MCIS is the worst of all of sp's albums, save for probably Machina (both produced by Flood - fuck that douche). though i do agree with elph that it does have a cohesive feel and an atmosphere that's memorable, there's no denying that.
i just don't think billiam is the kind of singer you could get away with recording so live and so dry. sorry but it just sounds like shit on a lot of the material. imo perhaps Butch Vig's greatest strength in producing the band was getting amazing vocal takes out of Billy, and giving him that lightly doubled/chorused sound that accented his boyishness and gave the whole band a breathy shoegaze-y dimension. also, re: MCIS, it is glaringly obvious what songs the band spent a lot of time on, and what songs were hurried and rushed. about 50-50. half the songs sound great and half the songs sound like shit, and there are some duds on the record that just should have not been there, especially considering the amount of great shit the band had lying around at that time. songs like Love, Take Me Down (sorry Jeff), We Only Come Out At Night, Beautiful, Lily. they're endearing songs for sure, but come on man. the band had songs readily available that were so much stronger. i dunno i'm really conflicted about that record. i love it and hate it at the same time. it's definitely the pumpkins' least cohesive and eloquent statement imo, even though it does have very formidable peaks. but it was always a record i go to in order to cherry pick a song i want to hear, and not one to play from start to finish (and not only because it's a double album). |
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07-07-2017, 09:15 AM | #65 |
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I wonder what you guys would think about the production on Vein.
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07-07-2017, 01:30 PM | #66 |
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07-07-2017, 01:32 PM | #67 | |
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07-07-2017, 02:01 PM | #68 | |
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07-07-2017, 02:32 PM | #69 |
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I'm glad the "endearing" tracks are there they really make the album for me, give it that feeelll
Lily is one of my fav SP tracks |
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07-07-2017, 02:36 PM | #70 |
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Machine is the album that needed some quality control, should have machine 2 tracks on it etc
That's where I see the most missed potential on just making a really great album |
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07-07-2017, 03:00 PM | #71 | |
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I think Billy's vision for MCIS was really different than Siamese Dream. He wanted to make a more organic, live sounding record which also covered as much sonic territory as possible. There is definitely more diversity of sound than on SD, but it's not as cohesive. It's bolder, but it doesn't always succeed. |
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07-07-2017, 03:33 PM | #72 |
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they wanted MCIS to be their White Album, so they put very different styles of songs on purpose even though they had better ones at hand.
just to show how eclectic SP can be |
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07-07-2017, 03:43 PM | #73 | |
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And Bill gives his best vocal performance, the vocal production is wonderful. As I've said elsewhere, yeah some Aeroplane tracks would have been better than what's on MCIS, but it's still incredible. As Bread Regal said, let's just think of MCIS/Aeroplane as the greatest 4xLP of all time. |
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07-07-2017, 03:45 PM | #74 |
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DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT SMASHING PUMPKINS ARE A DIVISIVE BAND
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07-07-2017, 04:48 PM | #75 |
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The production on MCIS was chosen on a song-by-song basis. There are some live songs, some highly produced songs, some demo-ish songs. 'Tis how it's supposed to be.
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07-07-2017, 06:24 PM | #76 |
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I wish they did Zeitgeist, Monuments, and Oceania without all the instruments and singing
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07-07-2017, 06:24 PM | #77 |
Minion of Satan
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Oh and how could I forget Teargarten
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07-07-2017, 06:35 PM | #78 |
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http://i.imgur.com/8QvrT3G.jpg
confused about what's going on here. i like the short sides and whispy pieces over the ear (classic bc), but the complete lack of bangs looks like something embarrassing happened in a private experimental session with the flowbee late one night in the purple mansion clearly this is when he was initially toying with what to do re impeding baldhood. it's an odd and thankfully short-lived phase |
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07-07-2017, 07:21 PM | #79 |
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Adores vastly overrated by the fan-base. The truth is it's a wildly inconsistent effort. It's got a few classics for sure, but it's a massive downgrade in quality from what came before. And a lot of those samples have aged as well as milk and sound downright embarrassing today.
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07-07-2017, 09:11 PM | #80 | |
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07-07-2017, 09:14 PM | #81 |
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One big advantage to MCIS's production over SD is that it works much better translated to a live setting. SD songs live tend to sound a bit mushy and empty compared to the album.
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07-07-2017, 09:42 PM | #82 |
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I only wish MCIS didn't sound so muddy in the whip. That's my main gripe.
I also wish MTAE had better lead guitar parts. The songs are mostly good for what they are, just simple dumb songs, but they'd just be that much better with some lead parts that sounded even remotely inspired. I wish the Oceania drums didn't sound like DOOF DOOF DUDOODLEUH DOOF DOOF. Following up on the topic of the "endearing songs" of MCIS, lately I've just been loving the acoustic Adore demos of songs that didn't make the album. For the most part that set is a nice little continuation of that idea. Last edited by ButtHash : 07-07-2017 at 10:06 PM. |
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07-07-2017, 10:21 PM | #83 |
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https://web.archive.org/web/20040915...nd/band016.jpg
now this is just a disaster while james, d'arcy, and jimmy have both feet in the spaceship, bill is clearly conflicted the dye job on the neatly combed siamese haircut shows his hesitancy. thank god we can't see the full outfit |
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07-07-2017, 10:30 PM | #84 | |
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07-07-2017, 10:35 PM | #85 |
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The awesome music made should excuse him from any of his off putting personality quirks though. It's hard to argue that the dude didn't go all in for the sake of the music. Those kind of artists are rare and hard to find. Most "artists" just copy the other artists who break ground. In a way Billy kind of had a Brian Wilson mindset.
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07-08-2017, 02:25 AM | #86 |
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07-08-2017, 10:47 AM | #87 | |
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07-08-2017, 09:56 PM | #88 |
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07-12-2017, 02:08 PM | #89 |
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I wish Zeitgeist ended after the initial drum part of Doomsday Clock.
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07-13-2017, 03:21 PM | #90 |
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I wish the reissue version of glynis didn't have bollio bursting out laughing during the outro of the song.. ruins an otherwise great remix of the song
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