Machina Reissue - Page 18

soniclovenoize · 06-14-2015, 10:07 AM

Oh they were... But not till after their guitarist quit and they simplified the formula.

Catherine Wheel · 06-14-2015, 10:47 AM

I just read their Wikipedia page. Maida had considered firing Turner as early as the recording sessions for Clumsy. He was either going to fire Turner or fire the bassist and in the end decided to fire the bassist.

It also said Clumsy went platinum in the US so perhaps they were bigger than I remember.

soniclovenoize · 06-14-2015, 12:40 PM

They've at least had one minor hit per album here, and then Gravity was the major hit that I heard at malls and supermarkets all through whatever season it came out.

Catherine Wheel · 06-14-2015, 01:01 PM

Jeremy Taggart has a really unique style of playing drums. I think it's demonstrated the most on Happiness.

soniclovenoize · 06-14-2015, 01:03 PM

Goddamnit Catherine Wheel did you really just rope me into a conversation about OLP?

Catherine Wheel · 06-14-2015, 01:06 PM

You know after you mentioned Happiness I downloaded One Man Army on Soulseek. I probably hadn't listened to that song in over 5 years.

Zerospaced · 06-14-2015, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockLobster

I hear it on the radio almost every day it seems like. Damn radio canadian content.

OLP I Mother Earth monster truck theory of a nickle back. So sick of these shitty bands.

Lumping OLP into the same category as Nickelback seems a little weird.

Zerospaced · 06-14-2015, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockLobster

You wouldn't say that if you lived here.

They're both terrible cdn bands heavily played on the radio.

I'm a big OLP fan but I guess i'm also not bombarded with them on a daily basis living in Georgia.

Catherine Wheel · 06-14-2015, 07:15 PM

Finger Eleven are by far the worst Canadian band I've ever heard. OLP are a quality band but Finger Eleven are just all around garbage right along with Nickleback. They deserve all the shit they get but not OLP.

Zerospaced · 06-14-2015, 07:19 PM

Naveed (the album) brings back great memories, same with Clumsy. Also they are great live.

bunny · 06-14-2015, 11:39 PM

why are you listening to the radio? there's your problem.

dreams of glass · 11:55 PM

white spyder is actually a great song, but i get pulled out of my enjoyment of it because of the distorted mess

it seems like such a bad choice to make a record sound like shit because the last one was "too glossy"

"ok just throw a bunch of static over everything"

the first time i heard MII i thought there was something wrong with my copy

FoolofaTook · 06-15-2015, 04:12 PM

the first time atsuo's friend (a car salesman) put absolutego on he thought his record player was broken

so fuck you. whyte spyder pwns

FoolofaTook · 06-15-2015, 04:24 PM

they rockin any pregish jams on there?

pavementtune · 06-19-2015, 10:48 AM

Shadaloo · 06-19-2015, 10:57 AM

Wonderful.

Mals Marola · 06-20-2015, 04:56 AM

LEGALA: the LEGALITIES of god

Bremang · 06-20-2015, 05:58 PM

how the fuck would this reissue be legally any different from the others

pavementtune · 06-20-2015, 06:05 PM

the label which originally signed off on the reissue campaign doesn't exist any more, EMI was swallowed by Universal.

so one example could be: if the new label people haven't paid for the Adore reissue yet, and not enough for the Machina production (enough being the sum that was negotiated with EMI) - they won't get Machina until that is settled.

Corgan publicly running his mouth how much the Universal people suck would be a pretty bad idea, especially if they want to keep going with re-issues.

Bremang · 06-20-2015, 06:07 PM

could it be some bullshit with Faust's Haus Music?

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwe...20180452&SID=8

Cause they seem to have rights over alot of Billy's shit.

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwe...1&HC=42&SID=12

pavementtune · 06-20-2015, 06:12 PM

what do you mean? Corgan owns Faust's Haus. Or not?
mah brain hurts.

Bremang · 06-20-2015, 06:15 PM

Sorry, casual fan alert. I don't know that company, it could be Billy's.

MCIS, TAFH, and Adore reissues came out after UMG closed on EMI. Not sure why UMG would suddenly cut off support, unless the reissues were not making money

pavementtune · 06-20-2015, 06:35 PM

the money part is really just one scenario that could go wrong/take more time when you have to deal with new label people, I don't know what the current hold up is all about.

but I don't imagine they were happy with the sales so far, who knows what sort of new costs came up with Machina (what was it - guest singers, new studio takes etc.?)

has anyone seen actual sale numbers of the Adore reissue or any of the big/expensive ones?
I don't know how you could justify to keep feeding the SP reissue campaign with money - for years now - when the financial outcome is not great.

I still bet on a pre-Christmas release.

AveryLoren · 06-21-2015, 01:46 AM

My friend owns one of the last record stores in Tulsa. I kept up with the ordering for the reissues and how well they sold. Gish - MCIS sold out within the first week. Their inventory consisted of twelve copies of each variant for each reissue. Not a large inventory but this is Tulsa and I only see SP fans at the shows. Once TAFH came out and sold poorly they didn't order anymore. They still have most of the box sets still on the clearance table. I have wondered if this was the trend because I haven't seen the Adore box set at any of the stores I haunt in OK, AR or TX.

VoxUpDoc · 06-21-2015, 03:06 PM

The Adore issue was priced too high. In the UK it's dropped from £60 to £35. But that's still twice the price of SD and Gish. It has twice the content, but I'm not convinced that content is as desirable as the other reissues.

Having said that, for a sub-£30 price point I might bite.

Cool As Ice Cream · 06-22-2015, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

In the UK it's dropped from £60 to £35.

omg it has

IWishIWasBlank · 10:57 AM

You're a fucking idiot.

-Edit: Sorry. Whoever I quoted didn't work. Bramalam you are a legend.

Cool As Ice Cream · 06-24-2015, 10:53 AM

omg i am

IWishIWasBlank · 06-24-2015, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlingeroGuitaro

There is a difference between lofi and mixed like shit.

So.. you don't understand the concept.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

Yeah, lo-fi isn't over-producing a track so it sounds like it's playing from blown speakers in another room while you vacuum the carpet.

So.. you don't understand the concept.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

Yeah but that experimentation is an aesthetical choice. They spent a lot of money making it sound like shit.

Lo-fi is just turning up and playing with what you have, cheap and low quality production.

That's the diffference as I understand it. There's a balance and M2 tips to the point where it no longer compliments the mood of the music and just obscures songs that would sound better with mainstream MCIS-style production. On songs like Real Love it doesn't service the song at all.

So.. you don't understand the concept.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

i said this before but i had real issues with machina 1 at first because it sounded overproduced but M2's unfinished state production wise is way worse. There's only like 3 songs i like on M2 and they're definitely not served by the shitty sound. M1 over M2 any day.

So.. you don't understand the concept. Also, you're dumb. And wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavementtune

that's it, we can't be friends anymore.
fucking M1 squeaky clean blaaa blown up to sound epic.
there, said it - I don't like M1, love M2. come fight me!

This is the correct opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bye june

I don't think there's any point in seperating M1 and M2 anymore, I go in listening to MACHINA as a whole piece as it was intended by Billy.

I just want the reissue to come out so I can hear all the tracks remastered and resequenced in the originally visioned double album format.

The beauty of Machina I and II was that Machina I was squeaky clean and generic sounding for a reason. They were under contract. It was the last album under contract. It got them out of Warner Bros.

Machina II was like the other part of the Gemini. The dirty, nasty twin. Purposefully fucked production, grimy, grungy, dirty. Like licking your 1/4" cables after they've been on a beer-soaked bar floor for an entire gig. Licking them... and liking it a little bit.

On top of this, Machina II was cynical and introspective. Dross is probably the only true confession Billy's ever made:

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/s...ml?song_id=261

Glass' Theme deals with music industry largesse and egomaniacs:

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/s...ml?song_id=259

Machina II is vastly superior to I.

And Finger Eleven (Rainbow Butt Monkeys, Google it,) and Our Lady Piece were lame as fuck.

VoxUpDoc · 06-24-2015, 02:44 PM

Yeah that's an extremely hard concept to understand, not surprising it went over so many of our heads.

Or maybe it's complete bullshit and M2 was supposed to be produced like M1 (hardly clean itself), but the label backed out, Corgan had a hissy fit and leaked it unfinished and sounding like shit for "artistic reasons".

06-14-2015, 11:49 PM	#522
dreams of glass Apocalyptic Poster Location: The Bay Area, CA Posts: 2,226	white spyder is actually a great song, but i get pulled out of my enjoyment of it because of the distorted mess it seems like such a bad choice to make a record sound like shit because the last one was "too glossy" "ok just throw a bunch of static over everything" the first time i heard MII i thought there was something wrong with my copy Last edited by dreams of glass : 06-14-2015 at 11:55 PM.

06-24-2015, 10:37 AM	#537
IWishIWasBlank Apocalyptic Poster Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,404	You're a fucking idiot. -Edit: Sorry. Whoever I quoted didn't work. Bramalam you are a legend. __________________ Hi, my name is newb and I refuse to read threads, past or present, or even the post that came before mine. Would you kindly tell me who these "Smashing Pumpkins" are, what kind of music they play, where I could illegally download their CD's, how can I download all of their shows, where is yesterday's show, and where are the never-before-released hoarded for 15 years shows. And say... how come you guys are such assholes to new guys like me? Last edited by IWishIWasBlank : 06-24-2015 at 10:57 AM.

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06-14-2015, 10:07 AM	#511
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	Oh they were... But not till after their guitarist quit and they simplified the formula.

06-14-2015, 10:47 AM	#512
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	I just read their Wikipedia page. Maida had considered firing Turner as early as the recording sessions for Clumsy. He was either going to fire Turner or fire the bassist and in the end decided to fire the bassist. It also said Clumsy went platinum in the US so perhaps they were bigger than I remember.

06-14-2015, 12:40 PM	#513
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	They've at least had one minor hit per album here, and then Gravity was the major hit that I heard at malls and supermarkets all through whatever season it came out.

06-14-2015, 01:01 PM	#514
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	Jeremy Taggart has a really unique style of playing drums. I think it's demonstrated the most on Happiness.

06-14-2015, 01:03 PM	#515
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	Goddamnit Catherine Wheel did you really just rope me into a conversation about OLP?

06-14-2015, 01:06 PM	#516
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	You know after you mentioned Happiness I downloaded One Man Army on Soulseek. I probably hadn't listened to that song in over 5 years.

06-14-2015, 07:15 PM	#519
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	Finger Eleven are by far the worst Canadian band I've ever heard. OLP are a quality band but Finger Eleven are just all around garbage right along with Nickleback. They deserve all the shit they get but not OLP.

06-14-2015, 07:19 PM	#520
Zerospaced Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,344	Naveed (the album) brings back great memories, same with Clumsy. Also they are great live.

06-14-2015, 11:39 PM	#521
bunny Demi-God Location: NY, NY, USA Posts: 345	why are you listening to the radio? there's your problem.

06-15-2015, 04:12 PM	#523
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	the first time atsuo's friend (a car salesman) put absolutego on he thought his record player was broken so fuck you. whyte spyder pwns

06-19-2015, 10:48 AM	#525
pavementtune ************** Location: I'm a quitter. I come from a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all. Posts: 8,661

06-15-2015, 04:24 PM	#524
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	they rockin any pregish jams on there?

06-19-2015, 10:57 AM	#526
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	Wonderful.

06-20-2015, 04:56 AM	#527
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	LEGALA: the LEGALITIES of god

06-20-2015, 05:58 PM	#528
Bremang Pledge Posts: 191	how the fuck would this reissue be legally any different from the others

06-20-2015, 06:05 PM	#529
pavementtune ************** Location: I'm a quitter. I come from a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all. Posts: 8,661	the label which originally signed off on the reissue campaign doesn't exist any more, EMI was swallowed by Universal. so one example could be: if the new label people haven't paid for the Adore reissue yet, and not enough for the Machina production (enough being the sum that was negotiated with EMI) - they won't get Machina until that is settled. Corgan publicly running his mouth how much the Universal people suck would be a pretty bad idea, especially if they want to keep going with re-issues.

06-20-2015, 06:07 PM	#530
Bremang Pledge Posts: 191	could it be some bullshit with Faust's Haus Music? http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwe...20180452&SID=8 Cause they seem to have rights over alot of Billy's shit. http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwe...1&HC=42&SID=12

06-20-2015, 06:12 PM	#531
pavementtune ************** Location: I'm a quitter. I come from a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all. Posts: 8,661	what do you mean? Corgan owns Faust's Haus. Or not? mah brain hurts.

06-20-2015, 06:15 PM	#532
Bremang Pledge Posts: 191	Sorry, casual fan alert. I don't know that company, it could be Billy's. MCIS, TAFH, and Adore reissues came out after UMG closed on EMI. Not sure why UMG would suddenly cut off support, unless the reissues were not making money

06-20-2015, 06:35 PM	#533
pavementtune ************** Location: I'm a quitter. I come from a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all. Posts: 8,661	the money part is really just one scenario that could go wrong/take more time when you have to deal with new label people, I don't know what the current hold up is all about. but I don't imagine they were happy with the sales so far, who knows what sort of new costs came up with Machina (what was it - guest singers, new studio takes etc.?) has anyone seen actual sale numbers of the Adore reissue or any of the big/expensive ones? I don't know how you could justify to keep feeding the SP reissue campaign with money - for years now - when the financial outcome is not great. I still bet on a pre-Christmas release.

06-21-2015, 01:46 AM	#534
AveryLoren Apocalyptic Poster Location: Upside Down Narnia Posts: 1,901	My friend owns one of the last record stores in Tulsa. I kept up with the ordering for the reissues and how well they sold. Gish - MCIS sold out within the first week. Their inventory consisted of twelve copies of each variant for each reissue. Not a large inventory but this is Tulsa and I only see SP fans at the shows. Once TAFH came out and sold poorly they didn't order anymore. They still have most of the box sets still on the clearance table. I have wondered if this was the trend because I haven't seen the Adore box set at any of the stores I haunt in OK, AR or TX.

06-21-2015, 03:06 PM	#535
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,881	The Adore issue was priced too high. In the UK it's dropped from £60 to £35. But that's still twice the price of SD and Gish. It has twice the content, but I'm not convinced that content is as desirable as the other reissues. Having said that, for a sub-£30 price point I might bite.

06-24-2015, 10:53 AM	#538
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	omg i am

06-24-2015, 02:44 PM	#540
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,881	Yeah that's an extremely hard concept to understand, not surprising it went over so many of our heads. Or maybe it's complete bullshit and M2 was supposed to be produced like M1 (hardly clean itself), but the label backed out, Corgan had a hissy fit and leaked it unfinished and sounding like shit for "artistic reasons".