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Old 03-15-2018, 08:52 AM   #661
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I like martian food the best

Martian >>>>>>> all earth foods.

Screw you culinary rube plebes!!!!

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 11:03 AM   #662
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i had a classic chicken sando from mcdonalds yesterday and was gotten again cuz they only gave me two tiny pickles. i keep forgetting to ask for "extra" (a normal amt) of pickles. i spaced the two far apart so i didn't enjoy them at once.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 11:54 AM   #663
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I'll gladly donate all pickles I get to you in the future.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:36 PM   #664
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i keep getting disappointed by "hot and spicy" pickles. i need my mouth to be on fire, dammit.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 03:34 PM   #665
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I mean ok, but India is smack bang in the middle of a lot of overland trade routes so it doesn't really 'all come from India.'....

Generally speaking maybe we could say that American cuisine is a milder flavoured, mass produced version of other cuisines, served in bigger portions with a soda , sweet iced tea or coffee?
I see what you mean. We could get deep into semantics, but you're basically right in the sense that culture is not static and there is always constant transference over geographical areas. In this way, we could probably investigate the ways in which Italian food was changed and influenced by access to trade routes and important ports crossing Europe and Asia as well... no food or culture of any sort is truly only from one place in a world which has been globalizing for thousands of years.

BUT if you go to SE Asia for example, they have absorbed Indian influences in some cuisines there. Malaysian food has been heavily influenced by Indian food. But if you go to India there aren't tons of obvious things that have been taken from Malaysian cuisine. So it's not necessarily a total wash where you can't identify where certain elements come from. It's clear that the influence of Indian food has moved outwards from the subcontinent in obvious ways, just like Chinese. Chinese food (or forms of it) are popular throughout India and SE Asia as well. But it's not like oh this food doesn't come from anywhere, it's just the amalgamation of lots of trade and cultural exchange.... it is specifically something which the Chinese have exported outwards. So while I see the point you are making, Indian food is pretty individual from Burmese food (directly to their east) and Pakistani and Afghan food (directly to their west). Is there a lot of crossover yes, does that mean India does not have its own cuisine.... I don't really see that.

Your analysis of American food is kind of a stereotype. It's really hard to pin down American cuisine, in a different way than Indian, because more than 99% of everyone who lives here had their families arrive from all over the world within the last few hundred years. You are thinking basically of fast food and value type fake me out restaurants like Olive Garden. That's not our cuisine, that's just shitty food.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:05 PM   #666
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I made 4lbs of carnitas yesterday.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:08 PM   #667
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to me american is mcdonalds and KFC and barbecue and steak

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:10 PM   #668
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fried foods and things with mayo and american cheese

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:36 PM   #669
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:22 PM   #670
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you need cargo shorts to eat that

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:30 PM   #671
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:35 PM   #672
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fried foods and things with mayo and american cheese
this is precisely why i hate it

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:39 PM   #673
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this is precisely why i hate it
i wasn't saying those things as good.

I think the (made up science incoming) majority of american food is bastardized versions of english and german - at least where i'm from.

even "appalachian" foods are tied to english and irish origins. just like the music.

will totally fuck up a pot of soup beans and a pan of cornbread on the spot though.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:49 PM   #674
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i wasn't saying those things as good.

I think the (made up science incoming) majority of american food is bastardized versions of english and german - at least where i'm from.

even "appalachian" foods are tied to english and irish origins. just like the music.

will totally fuck up a pot of soup beans and a pan of cornbread on the spot though.
yeah I agree that a lot of American food is anglo/germanic. also obviously we have tex mex and chinese, both american, we have southern cuisine and soul food, creole, hella seafood especially in the northeast...

I just want to emphasize that the US is a country that spans an entire continent with roughly a third of a billion people living here. There is a lot to eat, and it's not all shit just because McDonalds is known worldwide.

In my personal experiences, it seems to me that Americans tend to eat a pretty wide variety of cuisines compared to people even in a lot of European countries, and obviously there are many people on Earth who rarely stray from a single cuisine.

 
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:14 PM   #675
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I LOVE VIENNA SAUSAGES THEY POOP OUT REALLY SMOOTH AND KIND OF TICKLE IF YOU ALSO EAT SOME SEEDS!

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:02 AM   #676
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I can't deal with this thread anymore

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:22 AM   #677
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BUT if you go to SE Asia for example, they have absorbed Indian influences in some cuisines there.
Interestingly enough, I don't have to go to SE Asia, because I have been living here for nearly a year.

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:29 AM   #678
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Your analysis of American food is kind of a stereotype.
Yes...I stereotyped American food to show you how unhelpful it is to do that. The defensiveness you seem to feel when somebody declares that American food is X or Y, is probably the same defensiveness an Indian national feels when you declare that Indian food is X or Y.

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I just want to emphasize that the US is a country that spans an entire continent with roughly a third of a billion people living here.
India kinda dwarfs the US in terms of both modern day population, and the history and variation of immigration/conquest. It seems just as unhelpful to characterise all of Indian food as one thing or another because Butter Chicken and Garlic Naan have managed to traverse the globe...

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:34 AM   #679
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Yes...I stereotyped American food to show you how unhelpful it is to do that
o thanks i appreciate your help

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:39 AM   #680
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well, good

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:52 AM   #681
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Traces of cooked ginger and turmeric (which remain in use in curries such as lamb vindaloo today) were found in starch grains in human teeth and a cooking pot found in the ancient town of Farmana, west of Delhi by anthropologists.

The Indus Valley was home to one of the world's first urban civilisations - along with those in Egypt and Mesopotamia - and extends across modern Pakistan and parts of India.

The discovery was dated between 2500BC and 2200BC, making this the earliest recorded use of either spice to be identified in the area.

Even our pairing of rice with curry can be traced back to this time, as extensive use of rice in the Indus Valley civilisation has also been uncovered.
BBC Food – Curry: Where did it come from?

just a bit older than US cuisine though

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:50 AM   #682
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The Indus Valley isn't India, in the same way that the Bible Belt is not America. It's a region.

Those ingredients - turmeric, ginger & rice, are used in many cuisines, not just those native to modern India.

It just seems like typical American solipsism to believe that it is easier to define an Indian cuisine than it would be to define an American cuisine.

I think for most of the world, 'American cuisine' is a synonym for mild and processed food, and Coca-cola.

Which of course, a lot of people really enjoy, a lot. After eating 'Chinese' food 24/7 for a couple of weeks, when my kids found out there was a McDonald's and a Pizza Hut within walking distance of our hotel in Beijing, they were all over that. To me, by that stage, it actually tasted like trash. But for them, all of the textures and flavours are very safe and mild and it was just a relief to take a break from having tripe and rock fungus with noodles seasoned with chilli and vinegar, for breakfast, etc. (which of course, I much preferred).

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 07:38 AM   #683
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oh my god it's so true about appeasing your senses a little bit with milder western food after that chinese abuse. sometimes it just gets traumatic and you desperately need a piece of bread with something that doesn't taste weird on it. all that five spice/anise/vinegar/cumin, it's brutal when you just want comfort food.

also, it's worth pointing out that when i traveled around india for two months, i hardly ever once seen any place around that served western 'indian food'. no curries, no meat, no naan, no naathing. i had one butter chicken curry and that ended with me spending the next day spraying it out my ass.

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 12:44 PM   #684
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The Indus Valley isn't India, in the same way that the Bible Belt is not America. It's a region.

Those ingredients - turmeric, ginger & rice, are used in many cuisines, not just those native to modern India.

It just seems like typical American solipsism to believe that it is easier to define an Indian cuisine than it would be to define an American cuisine.
The Indus Valley was a civilization inside modern day India and the article cites archaeological evidence that people were eating rice dishes spiced with tumeric and cumin over 4000 years ago. Obviously they weren't going to Bombay Kitchen and ordering Paneer Tikka Masala, but it does show that there are certain elements of the cuisine which have been in that region over 40 times as long as cheeseburgers have been eaten in the Americas.

I don't really get your point, because you can apply the same logic to literally any cultural element from everywhere. You think food from Greece, the Levant, or Vietnam is any less subject to thousands of years of trade routes over land and sea, being conquered over and over again by competing military powers, waves of migrants looking for a new home, or having consecutive religious and cultural movements wash over them? Or for that matter, language, music, art, mythology, or literature? It seems like you are just trying to find something to argue over. If we're talking about people eating okra in the US, which was brought from Africa within the last 400 years, and people eating rice with tumeric and cumin sauce ten times as long ago as that in India, I would say yeah it's a little more accurate to say that is easily definable as part of a traditional Indian cuisine. That doesn't mean all Indians eat it or that it is ubiquitous in all regions of India. No one is arguing that.

 
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You yourself have invoked a very similar argument regarding anti-colonialism... that culture becomes more legitimate and more solidified the longer it gets to develop in one place.

To me it seems almost flippant to say that the newborn American amalgam of immigrant cuisines and other forms of art, all formed through colonialism and slavery, present as legitimate a cultural artifact as something that has been a dietary staple in a place in India for four millennia.

again, the only thing that actually COMES from the US in terms of food is cocktails and alcohol consumption habits

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:02 PM   #686
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this turned into the opposite of "cooking" but tonight I am going to a Uyghur restaurant. I am super excited, I have never eaten Uyghur food before. Not sure what to expect but I heard this place makes the best dumplings in DC

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:23 PM   #687
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i dunno, it just seems like the typical American thing where you're like "oh, this other country? We can completely make generalisations about that, because you know, we just can. But America? Well, it's just so complicated and special here, it's impossible to really describe it. Even if the rest of the world has an impression of the U.S., it's not a true reflection of what is here, because what is here is, unlike any other country, just so hard to understand and pin down."

which is you know, a very boring and predictable way for an American to behave, speaking as though the U.S. defies description in a way that other countries don't.

I was just pointing out that saying "Indian cuisine" is kinda as ridiculous as saying "American cuisine".

You were the one who said "Not really. "Indian cuisine" is legit and can describe the food of that country, but "American cuisine" is too hard to pin down because my country is just more complicated than India, so harder to describe."

 
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:54 PM   #688
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I freeze up when people ask me what brazilian cuisine is like, cause each region has it's own different staples and taste preferences and is incredibly varied even within each region.

There's too much food.

 
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i dunno, it just seems like the typical American thing where you're like "oh, this other country? We can completely make generalisations about that, because you know, we just can. But America? Well, it's just so complicated and special here, it's impossible to really describe it. Even if the rest of the world has an impression of the U.S., it's not a true reflection of what is here, because what is here is, unlike any other country, just so hard to understand and pin down."

which is you know, a very boring and predictable way for an American to behave, speaking as though the U.S. defies description in a way that other countries don't.

I was just pointing out that saying "Indian cuisine" is kinda as ridiculous as saying "American cuisine".

You were the one who said "Not really. "Indian cuisine" is legit and can describe the food of that country, but "American cuisine" is too hard to pin down because my country is just more complicated than India, so harder to describe."
that's what you heard but that's not what I said

 
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you say bastardized i say refined

american food, the home-made stuff, is fire.

 
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