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Old 03-31-2008, 02:06 PM   #121
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How much more difficult is "there has to be a God" vs. "all matter in the universe was once compressed into a space smaller than a molecule, and then for some reason exploded" to believe?
what's wrong with the "hey guys i have no fucking idea and neither do you" option.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:17 PM   #122
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i like that matt gave this thread an appropriate title right from the get go.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:19 PM   #123
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our god is an awesome god!

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:04 PM   #124
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what's wrong with the "hey guys i have no fucking idea and neither do you" option.
It would seem this is a nice neutral ground, but it's a point seldom used when people are discussing the massive unknown of the idea and origin of the Big Bang compared to when people are discussing the existence of a God.

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Old 03-31-2008, 06:08 PM   #125
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the big bang theory is based on empirical evidence.

meh i can't bring myself to write this

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:11 PM   #126
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the big bang theory is based on empirical evidence.

meh i can't bring myself to write this
We're talking pre-bang. And it's not.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:12 PM   #127
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Sorry to distress you so badly, but could you kindly point me toward some empirical evidence of the Big Bang's origins other than "The Universe is expanding outward?" I don't doubt the existence of the event, but it just seems kind of unbalanced to assume how something happened that we don't have written record or a witness of without unequivocal positive evidence.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:14 PM   #128
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yeah big bang theory is 100% superstition and scientific make believe to justify stem cell research and eugenics. hail allah.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:15 PM   #129
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Come on, man.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:15 PM   #130
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try the internet

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:19 PM   #131
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yeah whatever who cares if big bang is kinda stupid when you think about it god is only like a bazillion time stupider.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:28 PM   #132
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try the internet
After searching, I found this chart, which indicates that we don't really know what the hell 95% of the Universe is.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...omposition.jpg

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:29 PM   #133
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so you're saying the big bang created god and also the rock that god couldn't lift

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:33 PM   #134
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when faced with an impenetrable mystery:

science: "I don't know."

religion: "I don't know...so it must have been an all-knowing, all-powerful being who cares about what we do and say, listening to our prayers, steering the course of human events, who sent his son to die for our sins, etc. amirite?"

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:34 PM   #135
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We're talking pre-bang. And it's not.
Technically, there is no such thing as "pre-bang". just saying.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:53 PM   #136
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The closest anyone has come to god is this man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:53 PM   #137
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I mean that too this isn't one of my posts for the sake of making a stupid comment. Even though it is largely stupid.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 08:58 PM   #138
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No im fully aware that most people think im an idiot for the things I believe, I get mocked, scorned and ridiculed all the time. And I fully understand how 'silly' the things I say must seem to majority of people. Because I believe whats actually taught in the Bible, majority of mainstream Christians even think what I believe sounds silly.
what do you mean when you say you "believe whats actually taught in the Bible"?

im genuinely curious, im not setting some trap or something.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:01 PM   #139
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How much more difficult is "there has to be a God" vs. "all matter in the universe was once compressed into a space smaller than a molecule, and then for some reason exploded" to believe?
i dont know how you even compare these two at all. somebody said it already, but one is grounded in empirical evidence, and the other is, at best, idle speculation. the idea of the big bang isnt one that scientists randomly chose or something, its what the available evidence and our current understanding points to. its perfectly reasonable to believe that, and faily strongly.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:04 PM   #140
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i dont know how you even compare these two at all. somebody said it already, but one is grounded in empirical evidence, and the other is, at best, idle speculation. the idea of the big bang isnt one that scientists randomly chose or something, its what the available evidence and our current understanding points to.
At what point did I mention the "big bang"?

All matter existing inside of a particle and then exploding sounds about as plausible as someone stating a belief in a higher being.

You just can't see past your own biases to admit such.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:10 PM   #141
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but it just seems kind of unbalanced to assume how something happened that we don't have written record or a witness of without unequivocal positive evidence.
lol

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:24 PM   #142
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According to the belief that empirical evidence (something that can be successfully tested in a controlled environment) is the basis of truth.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:41 PM   #143
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At what point did I mention the "big bang"?

All matter existing inside of a particle and then exploding sounds about as plausible as someone stating a belief in a higher being.

You just can't see past your own biases to admit such.
doesnt really matter how implausible it sounds to you and i, the bottom line is that this is what the evidence points to. i dont understand the science behind it either, frankly, but thats not an argument against its truth. you sound like one of those guys challenging evolution by saying "we dont come from no monkey!" or something way too casual, some argument being made solely from ones own personal ignorance of the subject matter.

all kinds of things are counterintuitive or extremely hard to understand. but one of the great things about science is that it is smarter than we are. nobody really understands quantum phsyics, they just know through the evidence that it works, and works phenomenally well. it is science that has given us this tool kit to work around our own limitations.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:46 PM   #144
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According to the belief that empirical evidence (something that can be successfully tested in a controlled environment) is the basis of truth.
your beliefs are founded on faith (mere willingness to believe). you dont have the right to even enter into such a discussion as this, let alone criticize the scientific method.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:04 PM   #145
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Way to miss the point of my post, sleeper.

Your name is surprisingly appropriate considering this is the only type of discussion (or, more accurately, debate) that you enter into on this board.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:07 PM   #146
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According to the belief that empirical evidence (something that can be successfully tested in a controlled environment) is the basis of truth.
empirical evidence can be acquired in ways other than a witness or written record.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:16 PM   #147
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mohammed....

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:18 PM   #148
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Doesn't research require witnesses to be verified?

In the traditional sense, anyway. If you're referring to hypothetico-deductive research, then yes, evidence can be acquired in a relative sense, but not in the fullest manner possible (unequivocally, in other words.) Hypotheses should not be the basis for any real kind of knowledge.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:19 PM   #149
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mohammed....
I'm converting to islam. I met a this guy abuk and he manages the 7/11 back home and god willing we will have many babies to please allah.

 
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:31 PM   #150
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empirical evidence can be acquired in ways other than a witness or written record.
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yeah, bizarre how he brought up how there arent any witnesses to the big bang, or, he even thought to specify, any who wrote anything down. i mean, what the fuck? this makes me dizzy

 
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