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05-15-2016, 12:44 PM | #1141 |
Demi-God
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Sweet funk chords
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05-15-2016, 01:08 PM | #1142 |
Braindead
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05-17-2016, 10:07 AM | #1143 |
Braindead
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That's the kind of stuff I'd do all day if I was actually a "professional" musician
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05-24-2016, 12:25 PM | #1144 |
Minion of Satan
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Recent live set release of my free jazz ensemble, 23. Please listen, really proud of this one. I'm playing guitar.
http://collapsiblecatrecords.bandcam...at-x-fest-2016 |
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05-26-2016, 02:06 AM | #1145 |
Braindead
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i listened.
can you explain a bit about your approach to the music? i don't want to sound like a dick, but it just sounds like a bunch of people getting together and making noises on their instruments. there's no interplay in it. although it's obviously improvised, it seems like each of you is more or less doing their own thing. it's almost like avant garde or noise music in a way. i don't get it but it would be interesting to hear your take on it |
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05-26-2016, 05:02 AM | #1146 |
Minion of Satan
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Not going to get into a long winded convo right off the bat, but I think it's a bit inaccurate to say there's no interplay. There are several moments and examples of interplay happening throughout.
But it's a risky style of music to play.. Where everyone is improvising in the moment, it allows differing perspectives to how everyone interprets those moments. Comparing it to noise or avant garde is accurate, but with several musicians playing it together and trying to create moments that interact with whatever directions the sounds are moving in at particular moments. Very inspired by free jazz from the actuel series, modern free jazzers like Chris corsano, Paul flaherty, thurston Moore and Nels clines more avant, underground stuff, etc etc. Thanks for giving it a listen. |
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05-26-2016, 09:16 AM | #1147 |
Ownz
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Different than what I normally listen to, although Jimmy Chamberlin likes jazz, so I guess listening to your jazz performance is sort of like listening to SP. Maybe that's why I kept anticipating the drums to drop into the I Am One intro beat, or you to bust out rat in a cage on guitar during the mid-section of the piece.
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05-26-2016, 09:55 AM | #1148 |
Minion of Satan
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haha paranoid don't listen to these guys. This is good stuff.
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05-26-2016, 08:01 PM | #1149 |
Ownz
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Yeah, it's cool. I gave it a few listenings. I wonder, though, what if a free jazz player felt a continuous tangible melody... would it still be jazz if they let it flow through them, and if all the other players started harmonizing with it. Like, that's still free expression, and it could be natural for a player, and how they interpret the musical atmosphere. It wouldn't sound like typical free jazz, but would it be honouring the concept of free jazz?
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05-26-2016, 08:44 PM | #1150 |
Braindead
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dude you gotta stop it with the deep stuff, you're blowing my MIND
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05-26-2016, 10:28 PM | #1151 |
Virgo
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i hate when improv dudes compare their stuff to free jazz
protip: free jazz had a structure and a point/counterpoint you don't walk onto a stage with nothing in your pocket, singularly or collectively. not saying i don't dig paranoid's jams or noise music. |
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05-26-2016, 10:35 PM | #1152 |
Virgo
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i'm just rambling about something else not related to the thread, really
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05-26-2016, 10:57 PM | #1153 | |
Minion of Satan
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Fwiw I also play jazz professionally, and some of these performances you're hearing do have charts/diagrams that we follow. Last edited by paranoid : 05-26-2016 at 11:07 PM. |
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05-26-2016, 11:02 PM | #1154 |
Minion of Satan
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Also, keith Jarrett has been quote in many a jazz times interview as to saying he walks in a stage with nothing in his pocket.
Having said that, improv doesn't just come out of the sky, it is based in a pre existing vocabulary, regardless if you hit the stage 'prepared' or not. |
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05-26-2016, 11:17 PM | #1155 | |
Virgo
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I'm only hearing the freedom from arrangement. I might be an idiot but I don't think that non-arrangement necessarily equals total dissonance. Especially with the jazz players. They knew what they were doing enough to at least relate to a key in some way. also |
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05-26-2016, 11:20 PM | #1156 |
Virgo
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I mean I'm talking completely outside of your performance. Take that out of the equation. That's what I'm trying to stress.
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05-27-2016, 12:05 AM | #1157 | |
Minion of Satan
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I just took the 'pro tip' and 'paranoids noise' as kind of a shot at what we were doing, so I felt the need to inform, I guess. And no, they were not always working to relate to a key in some way.. In fact most often they were working to move against that. Bebop did that, those originators were trying to break free of big band standards, deconstruct it a bit, and the free players came along and just burned the whole thing down. That's not to say there were progressive jazz musicians working between those lines.. Miles Davis for example cooked up modal jazz and then expanded on that further as some of the more free form styles cross bred with his ideas. A lot of the free players you refer to (ayler, etc) were creating their own scales and harmonic systems that, of course, sounded like noise to a lot of people. |
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05-27-2016, 12:08 AM | #1158 |
Minion of Satan
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Also, sometimes they be creating arrangements, but abandoning tonal centers completely.
I think the more modern players trying to improvise all of that in the moment, rather than go on stage with some sort of plan, and that's in no way illegitimate and not deserving of the term 'free jazz.' |
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05-27-2016, 12:15 AM | #1159 | |
Virgo
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Basically what happened was that hearing the words noise and free jazz sent me off on a tangent about something totally not related to you. |
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05-27-2016, 12:17 AM | #1160 |
Virgo
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here's my latest
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06-11-2016, 08:53 PM | #1161 |
Virgo
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new sad and boring
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06-11-2016, 10:33 PM | #1162 |
Immortal
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nice stuff, would be better if i could still smoke weed
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06-11-2016, 11:05 PM | #1163 |
Virgo
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same here
and thanks |
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06-11-2016, 11:40 PM | #1164 |
full of longing
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17 minutes
yeah, well Last edited by cork_soaker : 06-13-2016 at 06:06 PM. |
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06-25-2016, 11:34 AM | #1165 |
FKA Siamese33
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06-30-2016, 06:20 PM | #1166 |
full of longing
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feeling a bit more long-form as of late
humbly presenting: "odyssey of swishy crackly whooshy" |
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06-30-2016, 08:08 PM | #1167 |
Virgo
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Time bomb
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07-01-2016, 12:20 AM | #1168 |
Braindead
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NON FAMOUS COUCH NOODLER MUSIC
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07-01-2016, 06:14 AM | #1169 |
Virgo
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Real people music
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07-01-2016, 06:27 AM | #1170 |
Virgo
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By all means though, carry on playing make believe and hosting fantasy press conferences
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