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Old 03-25-2020, 04:27 PM   #31
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It wasn't until very recently that his actions got so obnoxious that they color the music to me.

I think Zeitgeist was fine for what it was and it could as easily have been a stepping stone to a return to form for SP.

Teargarden was what literally killed the momentum between the long delays between songs and how weak the material was.

Everything after that just felt lazy and uninspired to me.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:50 PM   #32
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The thing that prevented me from embracing Zeitgeist was the vocal mix.

The thing that prevented me from embracing Oceania was that it was terrible.

I began to embrace MTAE but then I realised it was a 3 star facsimile of better music with terrible lyrics and vocal mix.

Billy giving douchebag interviews at the same time explained the music rather than influencing my perception of it.
This seems right. Mtae is p decent. I might want to listen to stellar and United States again someday. Oceania is trash.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:57 PM   #33
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Oceania always felt like a pretty solid alt-rock album from an SP inspired band, just didn't sound like SP. That people would actually prefer Monuments is baffling. There is absolutely zero thought or energy put into the songs or performances on Monuments that I can hear. Oceania at least sounds like a band straining to create together. And it works for a few moments here and there.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 05:05 PM   #34
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this. OC felt the most warm and organic

worst drums however

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 05:16 PM   #35
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ur dad felt warm and organic

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:02 PM   #36
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:08 PM   #37
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lol some of you actually listen to live performances of faux-SP? I can’t bring myself to. Billy’s voice is so weird now too.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:11 PM   #38
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yeah i rather go with falming flobes to a triple h show or whatever the fuck


in other words NOT AT ALL

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:41 PM   #39
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You guys should listen to Dogleg btw. Great debut.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:36 PM   #40
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Oceania always felt like a pretty solid alt-rock album from an SP inspired band, just didn't sound like SP. That people would actually prefer Monuments is baffling. There is absolutely zero thought or energy put into the songs or performances on Monuments that I can hear. Oceania at least sounds like a band straining to create together. And it works for a few moments here and there.
Some of MTAE was based on older SP material, the production was slightly better than Oceania and Teargarden, Being Beige was going for a 33-vibe and was convincingly personal from Bill.

Oceania just sounds like an inferior band doing SP but fucking flat. Maybe itís the drums, maybe that it tried to rehash SD, or maybe itís that the songs just arenít good.

In the mid-00ís Bill started singing differently, mixing his voice differently, and to his ears it sounds better. His and no-one elseís. This combined with some of his awful interviews really soured the fanbase on the guy.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:01 PM   #41
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what do you prefer, meh or w/e?

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 05:46 PM   #42
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I could never even get through Oceania. It’s that bad. MTAE is a solid pop/alt rock record.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:10 PM   #43
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MTAE is bad. Uninspired kind of bad.

I really like Oceania. Violet Rays, Pinwheels, Pale Horse are solid! Billy should've gone with a noisier mixing tho, like the original mix of Inkless




Zeitgeist is good too, maybe not strong enough for a comeback tho.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:11 PM   #44
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I feel like I should prefer Oceania to Zeitgeist, but whatever, I think Zeitgeist is better.

Oceania does feel more earnest, like Corgan is just writing songs without the intent to "be relevant again" or "show I've still got it" or "appeal to the kids," and it's also more musically complex and sophisticated than Zeitgeist, but I dunno, man… it also just feels kinda flat and muted. It almost feels like dad rock mixed with adult contemporary. Even the tracks that try to bring the rawk, like the opening track, just feel like "'Cherub Rock' as played by Jeff from accounting". Only track where I go "okay, this one is actually good" is the title track. I remember thinking some others, like "Wildflower," "Inkless" (I think? There are three tracks near the end that sound similar, but only one of them I really liked), and "Violet Rays" are almost there, but something is missing (probably Corgan's vocals killing it).

Zeitgeist has some tracks that I can actually bang my head to. That's a dumb criterion for music, but whatever, I'm a dumb rock fan. Sometimes there's just a Doomsday Clock ticking in your heart and you gotta grab your guitar and bang out drop-D power chords to its rhythm. Zeitgeist marks the last album where Corgan could write heavy songs. All his "rawk" stuff since is amongst his most cringeworthy material, and his only passable new songs are his slower, quieter, more somber ones.

I've never listened to Elegy to a Monument or Day for Night, so I can't comment on them. I've only heard the singles from Shiny and Oh So Bright: No D'Arcy, and "Silvery Sometimes" is okay, "Knights of Malta" is unintentionally funny, and "Solara" is just awful.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:20 PM   #45
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I feel like I should prefer Oceania to Zeitgeist, but whatever, I think Zeitgeist is better.

Oceania does feel more earnest, like Corgan is just writing songs without the intent to "be relevant again" or "show I've still got it" or "appeal to the kids," and it's also more musically complex and sophisticated than Zeitgeist, but I dunno, manÖ it also just feels kinda flat and muted. It almost feels like dad rock mixed with adult contemporary. Even the tracks that try to bring the rawk, like the opening track, just feel like "'Cherub Rock' as played by Jeff from accounting". Only track where I go "okay, this one is actually good" is the title track. I remember thinking some others, like "Wildflower," "Inkless" (I think? There are three tracks near the end that sound similar, but only one of them I really liked), and "Violet Rays" are almost there, but something is missing (probably Corgan's vocals killing it).

Zeitgeist has some tracks that I can actually bang my head to. That's a dumb criterion for music, but whatever, I'm a dumb rock fan. Sometimes there's just a Doomsday Clock ticking in your heart and you gotta grab your guitar and bang out drop-D power chords to its rhythm. Zeitgeist marks the last album where Corgan could write heavy songs. All his "rawk" stuff since is amongst his most cringeworthy material, and his only passable new songs are his slower, quieter, more somber ones.

I've never listened to Elegy to a Monument or Day for Night, so I can't comment on them. I've only heard the singles from Shiny and Oh So Bright: No D'Arcy, and "Silvery Sometimes" is okay, "Knights of Malta" is unintentionally funny, and "Solara" is just awful.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:22 PM   #46
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Listening to MTAE on vinyl rn and one and all is easily one of his best post machina songs.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:24 PM   #47
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How did you customize your user title?

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:29 PM   #48
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It's easy.

The first step is sending me 1,000 $ (CAD). I will pm you the rest of the details upon receiving payment.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:31 PM   #49
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Took is clearly Moby

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:32 PM   #50
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:34 PM   #51
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Oh wait I forgot about the future embrace. Half of those are better than any of this.

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:35 PM   #52
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It was like 20 years ago so I could not tell you lol

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:32 PM   #53
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he got in touch with the almighty deity known as ratbastardquinto, the rest is history

 
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:33 PM   #54
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& that’s that!

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Old 03-28-2020, 09:36 PM   #55
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Old 03-28-2020, 11:03 PM   #56
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i bet you feel like a real big man when you shit on Lord Corgan

 
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Old 03-29-2020, 07:42 AM   #57
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1. he is a big man
2. you'd have to be pretty enormous to shit on Corgan without a ladder

 
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:21 AM   #58
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Thank you, smashingjj. However, while I may be a big man, I'm nowhere near as big as my father.

 
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Old 03-29-2020, 10:36 AM   #59
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so your father is big enough to admit Zeitgeist isn't that bad?

 
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My father's as big as you need him to be, honey bun.

 
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