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09-28-2019, 03:41 PM | #61 |
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does anyone have one of those "leet as fuck" teddy bears?
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09-28-2019, 05:03 PM | #62 | |
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09-28-2019, 06:57 PM | #64 |
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what is wrong with a little band bang?
stop blaming paz for billy's mistakes LEAVE PAZ ALONE |
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09-28-2019, 07:16 PM | #65 |
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09-28-2019, 07:51 PM | #66 |
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09-28-2019, 10:10 PM | #67 | |
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09-28-2019, 11:55 PM | #68 |
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Groundswell of support on SP message boards sure, but the general public didn't care much about Zwan. The album was a commercial flop, first week sales were very poor, and you guys were trashing the shit out of MSotS on here when it came out and have continued to do so in the years since. I've always liked the album but you're looking at it with rose tinted glasses.
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09-29-2019, 04:02 AM | #69 |
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Nobody said the general public gave a fuck about Zwan.
They said there was a buzz about them in indie circles following the 2001 shows, which is true. |
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09-29-2019, 09:47 AM | #70 |
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i know it may seem like the only people who cared about zwan were on sp message boards, but the fact of the groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell groundswell
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09-29-2019, 12:06 PM | #71 |
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"ZWAN WAS A BAND!!"
"FUCK YOU YOU'RE A BAND" "GO FUCK OURSELVES! MY INDIE DICK WAS TOTALLY GROUNDSWOLLEN IN 2001!" |
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09-29-2019, 12:30 PM | #72 |
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09-29-2019, 12:59 PM | #73 |
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I was an indie kid back in those days and discovered SP through the grassroots indie scene hype behind Zwan.
I exclusively listened to bands like Gunt, Shopper Omega, Wartorn Kosovo, Boxking and of course Slint. I remember talking to Jersey Fling (Literal Bible frontman) after a show and she was all “have you heard Zwan” and I was like “No who they?” and he said “check them out” and so I did |
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09-29-2019, 01:04 PM | #74 |
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but did you read well over a hundred or so articles from the Zwan years?
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09-29-2019, 01:59 PM | #75 |
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I can't wait for the Zwan boxset booklet where Billy will use it to bash the rest of the band and their contributions and how it was really him who pulled it all together and the true genius behind Zwan and how Paz shapeshifted in front of his eyes leading him to break up the band.
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09-29-2019, 02:03 PM | #76 | |
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09-29-2019, 02:24 PM | #77 |
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09-29-2019, 02:33 PM | #78 |
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I remember when I got MCIS. I was blown away so took it round a friends house. Man you gotta listen to this!
Well I got some big rant about how he’s not going to listen to some major label bullshit double album led zeppelin shit and I don’t care if it is legit take that sell out shit outta here. “But it’s the guy from the true poets of Zwan..” Oh Zwan? Put that shit on!!! |
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09-30-2019, 11:36 AM | #79 |
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I have went through the 2001-2003 Zwan posts on this board and a few others. It took about two days. I still haven't found any trace of the illusive "indie groundswell" phenomenon. The major consensus I am finding is that Matt and Pajo had some "lite" indie cred. Paz was unknown. Billy and Jimmy brought in the mainstream media who didn't seem to care after the initial tour until the album dropped which had some pretty great reactions. Hardcore pumpkins fans seemed to heavily dislike Zwan almost immediately. The years between the breakup and Billy's solo plans generated a lot of Zwan theory threads then it dried up till post 2011 when the reissues began.
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09-30-2019, 11:48 AM | #80 |
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the "groundswell" thing was a hoax put on by a bunch of boys who have a groundswell for saying the word groundswell
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09-30-2019, 12:06 PM | #81 |
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I am bound and determined to find this 𝙶𝚁𝙾𝚄𝙽𝙳𝚂𝚆𝙴𝙻𝙻
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09-30-2019, 12:16 PM | #82 |
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I love this guy!
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09-30-2019, 01:55 PM | #83 |
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Zwan groundswell was equal to Oceania or MTaE groundswell.
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09-30-2019, 02:14 PM | #84 |
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please, a cursory glance at any given Indie Rag of the mid-2010s will quickly debunk that bullshit!
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09-30-2019, 02:15 PM | #85 |
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hell... look at the rag i used to clean my bathroom floor!
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09-30-2019, 07:02 PM | #87 |
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The Pajo angle is way overblown on this forum. Sure, Spiderland is something of a cult classic, but not even the biggest Slint fans were hyped up or creating any buzz about the prospects of him playing guitar for Billy Corgan. Hell, the honest to gods truth is that most Slint fans actually expected the band to suck and were wondering what the hell Pajo was thinking.
You guys are rewriting history in order to serve some sorta narrative. Props to AveryLowen for so thoroughly debunking the Zwan sensationalism that you guys are so oddly pushing. It would be like saying Cheap Trick fans were creating an "indie groundswell" over Tinted Windows... No Cheap Trick fans cared. Last edited by fuzzyroes : 09-30-2019 at 07:10 PM. |
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09-30-2019, 08:35 PM | #88 |
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Zwan had some really good music
and then the studio album was mediocre |
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09-30-2019, 08:39 PM | #89 |
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Lord William "bait and switch" Organ
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09-30-2019, 08:41 PM | #90 |
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I think "Yeah!" is a moment where you're like "oh so this vibe actually works"
there was potential for a graceful transition, his voice doesn't even sound like shitty ass on that track |
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